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Conegamer said:

The avatar is something that could cause trouble and discomfort for people, depending on where they're viewing it.

That might not be a reason you understand or thinks "makes sense", but that's the reason. Quite clearly, we aren't going to agree on this point but that's the reason. Nothing else you say from this point will affect this.

There's nothing to agree on ...

There's only right or wrong and many people share ka-pi's sentiment ...



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KylieDog said:


@ bold: Irrelevant.

As Carl said, content is king, a post stating "This game is shit" and a  post stating "This game is amazing" are both equal in content, or lack there of.  For one to be acceptable so must the other, and the same if one is not, then both are not.

If you are suggesting because one statement will get a negative response it should not be allowed while the other is, then you are trying to control discussion of the forum by making it harder for one group to voice their opinion even when speaking from a more authoritative role, controlling discussion is not the mod teams job. 

Secondly, if comments that will garner a negative response are unacceptable then you should be removing any and all negative discussion, criticism, general remarks and news articles from the forum, as a post stating "This game is shit" and a post stating the same only with a bunch of reasons following will likely see the latter bring about even more of a negative response than the former, due to there being more points which are attacked by the statement, despite complying with the 'content is king' rule.

Since I doubt the mod team is intending to be controlling or willing to ban any and all negative discussion the only logical outcomes are to allow posts stating "This game is shit" or extend the content rule to posts such as "This game is amazing".

This guy gets it ...



KylieDog said:
Mr Khan said:
KylieDog said:


To remove bias, this rule needs apply in reverse.  No more "This game is amazing" posts without full explanations why, or ban.

Opinions should not be treated differently.

Question: which one is more likely to get a negative response, all else equal? "Sonic Generations rules!" or "Monster Hunter sucks dog cock!"

The ethical rules with which we assign "bannable" criteria are deontological.


@ bold: Irrelevant.

As Carl said, content is king, a post stating "This game is shit" and a  post stating "This game is amazing" are both equal in content, or lack there of.  For one to be acceptable so must the other, and the same if one is not, then both are not.

If you are suggesting because one statement will get a negative response it should not be allowed while the other is, then you are trying to control discussion of the forum by making it harder for one group to voice their opinion even when speaking from a more authoritative role, controlling discussion is not the mod teams job. 

Secondly, if comments that will garner a negative response are unacceptable then you should be removing any and all negative discussion, criticism, general remarks and news articles from the forum, as a post stating "This game is shit" and a post stating the same only with a bunch of reasons following will likely see the latter bring about even more of a negative response than the former, due to there being more points which are attacked by the statement, despite complying with the 'content is king' rule.

Since I doubt the mod team is intending to be controlling or willing to ban any and all negative discussion the only logical outcomes are to allow posts stating "This game is shit" or extend the content rule to posts such as "This game is amazing".

"Content is King" works in tandem with the principle i cited. A content-less but positive comment does nothing to really advance conversation, but it isn't hurting anything, either. A content-less negative comment will actively degrade the quality of conversation as people react to it, and so is actionable. A well-thought-out critique of explaining exactly what makes Monster Hunter an inferior experience, however, has something to contribute as it moves the discussion forward, but even that way is fraught with peril, as we've seen from verbose users who wrote voluminous posts but were employing various argumentative fallacies and had to be removed (see: mazty, ninjablade). You can express negative opinions, but you have to tread cautiously in terms of how the presentation of your opinions effects the flow of discussion. There are a lot of critical threads out here, like Spemanig's recent bit calling out Nintendo for not using voice acting in the Zelda games, critical threads that stay in bounds and yet express negative opinions, so we're not narrowing the scope of what can be expressed here.

In any event, the real criterion for moderating everything except avatar and sig violations is: "Don't be a dick."



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

Pionner said:
gergroy said: I can definitely see someone being more upset at that username then swear words.  That kind of crap has certain connotations, and for our underage users specifically it could mean the end of their time here. Parents are definitely more sensitive to any kind of sexual reference then swear words as far as internet activity goes.  At least in america that is how it is.

I know if i was underage and living at home still, my mom would freak if she saw me on a forum talking to someone with that username.  I dont think she would care much if she saw swear words, but definitely wouldnt like that name.  In fact, she would probably yell at me even now and I am a grown man!


This is so backwards to me. But i'm not surprised. This country is so scared of anything that has to do with sex or a human anatomy. Everybody is so scared of sex or being sexual. It's freaking dumb when you think about it. Japan has some of the most creative minds in the world. Education over there is good too. And you know what? Sex is not some taboo thing over there. You can be 10 years old and walk into a porn shop and buy whatever you want. They don't obsess over a womans breast or anything sexual in society. Can you imagine what a parent would think if they saw their son or daughter on the internet reading something that said ilovegirls69? Heh. oh my. I can assure you they would be more worried about their grades than some harmless name.  

 

This country? Breast! A butt! Is that a Penis! Oh my god  half her cleavage is showing! What a whore! Run!

 

I still can't belive my account was banned because of my name.

Uh, no you can't. As a conneisseur of J-porn, i know that everything published in physical form as their equivalent of "R-18" stamped prominently on the cover or back cover.

They're also more prudish than us in the sense that all porn has to be censored by law, so even a consenting adult legitimately buying porn can't see an uncensored pussy unless he or she imports a foreign porno. It's why they made up tentacle porn (aside from the cultural background with the tale of the fisherman's wife), an excuse for uncensored tools.



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

KylieDog said:
Mr Khan said:

"Content is King" works in tandem with the principle i cited. A content-less but positive comment does nothing to really advance conversation, but it isn't hurting anything, either. A content-less negative comment will actively degrade the quality of conversation as people react to it, and so is actionable. A well-thought-out critique of explaining exactly what makes Monster Hunter an inferior experience, however, has something to contribute as it moves the discussion forward, but even that way is fraught with peril, as we've seen from verbose users who wrote voluminous posts but were employing various argumentative fallacies and had to be removed (see: mazty, ninjablade). You can express negative opinions, but you have to tread cautiously in terms of how the presentation of your opinions effects the flow of discussion. There are a lot of critical threads out here, like Spemanig's recent bit calling out Nintendo for not using voice acting in the Zelda games, critical threads that stay in bounds and yet express negative opinions, so we're not narrowing the scope of what can be expressed here.

In any event, the real criterion for moderating everything except avatar and sig violations is: "Don't be a dick."


The entire problem with this way of thinking is that your putting blame on the poster for the responses made by others.

If someone wants to post "This game is shit" the the correct follow up should be "Why do you think this?", should a respondant actually care for the reasons.  Most people only care that the post is negative about a game they may like, so explaining the reasons is a pointless exercise which I imagine is why people prefer to just drop a short opinion and not bother explain it.  Any posts going off topic or accusing of trolling etc are what should be moderated, not the "This game is shit" poster.

Because lets face it, there are games where people could post "This game is shit" and nobody would question it or react negatively.  Aliens: Colonial Marines for example.  So the reason for the rule doesn't even apply to all threads and wuld in fact be acceptable by most of the people reading it.

The end result is that is doesn't help discussion banning such posts and just protects fanboys who cannot stand any criticism of a game they like, if they cared for discussion they'd ask and discuss, as it is most do not ask because they do not care the reasons, if reasons are posted along with such a statement the reasons are usually ignored for a blanket reply, because they do not care for the reasons.

Never does it enter your mind that people post these opinions *because* of the reactions they cause. The proper definition of trolling isn't "having unpopular opinions." Say i like to wind up Sony fans: i go into a LittleBigPlanet thread and say "this is all horseshit." Not because i have any informed opinion on LittleBigPlanet, but because i like to piss off Sony fans.

As i said a few pages back, we are not mind readers.



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

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I just saw a few AV pics of a guy with no shirt on, a girl with a phone in her ass, and another with her tits hanging out.....yet my name is a problem? Come on guys, what's the real reason i was banned?



Formerly ilovegirls69  :(

Pionner said:
I just saw a few AV pics of a guy with no shirt on, a girl with a phone in her ass, and another with her tits hanging out.....yet my name is a problem? Come on guys, what's the real reason i was banned?

That really is the reason you were banned ... 

Or at least that's how the mods see it even though most of the people in real life would disagree with the decision while thinking out the reason to be half-baked ...

Banning an account just because some parent may find the name inappropriate is a poor excuse. It's a parents job to deem whether the content is inappropriate or not for their children and restrict it's access, not the mods. The vast majority of people that visit this site are adults, not a bunch of children. 

I feel as if the mods should be governing the actions within it's own domain, not overstepping their bounds ... 



Pionner said:
I just saw a few AV pics of a guy with no shirt on, a girl with a phone in her ass, and another with her tits hanging out.....yet my name is a problem? Come on guys, what's the real reason i was banned?

i wonder this too. there is a pic with a guy with no top on giving a very sexual look. and as you say a girl with a phone on her ass. If I was a parent I'd be more concerned about those pics than a name like ilovegirls69. 

Actually now that i think about it, isn't jizzbeardthepirate a lot worse? I mean like we all know what jizz means...



Question for the mods:
Do you guys think I'm a troll. Honest question. Don't worry about my feelings if the answer is yes :P



Getting perma'd over an username is kinda harsh imo...



                
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