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Forums - Sales - August 2014 NPD Thread! PS4 - 190k, XBO - 160k, Wii U < 60k, PSV < 6k

Soundwave on 12 September 2014
Maciveli said:
Soundwave said:

I'm not impressed with PS4's sales in 2014 thus far. They had a great launch, but their numbers this year aren't that strong in North America and the Japanese market has been predictably a joke. Europe is probably going well for them. Luckily the Destiny hype should move a good number of systems for them before word of mouth spreads too far that the game doesn't live up to its billing.

I do find it some what amusing that you're apparently not allowed to have that opinion though as if there's some "Thou shall not talk ill of PS4 sales" commandment or something, lol. Gimme a break. If you think 190k for a market leader's first August is incredible, good for you. Some of us don't agree. You need to be able to process that. 


Average intelligence and understanding of math, if PS4 is not impressive then neither was wii or PS2.

ow.

Is there a specific part of 

Sales

In 

2014

That you didn't understand or is English not your first language?



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thismeintiel on 12 September 2014

Lol, sorry, but now I just have to laugh at those downplaying these numbers.  It's starting to look a little desperate.  And why compare the PS4 with the Wii?  Only because it makes it look worse?  I think I know the answer to that, but let me ask you one more question.  Was the Wii the market leader in the US?  NO!  That honor goes to the 360.  So, why don't we look at the 360's sales in the US after launch compared to the PS4s:

              360                                    PS4
Nov. 2005 ~ 326k          Nov. 2013 ~ 1.14M
Dec. 2005 ~ 281k          Dec. 2013 ~ 863K
Jan. 2006 ~ 249k           Jan. 2014 ~ 271K
Feb. 2006 ~ 161k           Feb. 2014 ~ 285K     
Mar. 2006 ~ 192k          Mar. 2014 ~ 371K
Apr. 2006 ~ 295k            Apr. 2014 ~ 199K
May 2006 ~ 221k           May 2014 ~ 197K
Jun. 2006 ~ 277k            Jun. 2014 ~ 269K  
Jul. 2006 ~ 206k             Jul. 2014 ~ 187K
Aug. 2006 ~ 204k          Aug. 2014 ~ 190K
Sep. 2006 ~ 260k       

Ok, so that's a total of ~2.7M after 11 months for the 360 vs. ~4M for the PS4 in 10 months.  I even gave the 360 an extra month, however, that is for another reason.  You see, September is Destiny month.  PS4 is going to KILL the 360's 260K.  At least by ~2x.  Which means it would beat the Wii's 1st September, which was 501K.  That would also mean it would beat the PS2's, too.  Well, technically, I couldn't find its Sept 2001 numbers, but in 2002 it sold ~500K, so I assume they were probably close to the same.  Again, cherrypicking a few months, and only pitting it against a couple of consoles, just reeks of desperation. 



 

Zanten on 12 September 2014
Soundwave said:
pokoko said:

Hold on a minute.  You keep saying "underperforming".  I want to be sure about what you mean.  Are you using the PS2 as a universal standard?

From a business perspective, "underperforming" means that something is not doing as well as it should be doing relative to the current market.  If analysis indicates that it should be hitting 400k a month, then it would be underperforming.  It does NOT mean that a product is not measuring up relative to a product from 13 years ago.  Anyone in business knows that markets change over time and that eternal standards don't really carry any meaning beyond the trivial.

So, then, when you say "underperforming", what exactly are your criteria?


The comparative market leaders (the PS2 and Wii) since the year 2000 (14 years ago now) perhaps? I'd say it's fair to compare. 

Saying "that will nevar happen again" is a bit of a cop out. Market leaders will get compared, the SNES had to be comapred to the NES, we use these comparisions as a metric of the industry, but fanboys don't understand that and think it's some stupid "my console is bettar than yourz" line of reasoning mistakanly. 

I got the same blow back from Nintendo fans who kept saying "but the 3DS has sold 20+ million alreadY!" when I would point out there were some disturbing month to month patterns developing in its sales way back and it was the same "b. ... bu ... but you can't compare to the DS!" schtick then too. Now even the most ardent fanboys are starting to realize that there is a real decline going on in that market sector. 


Wait a second though, then by that metric, the Wii seriously underperformed last generation as well. o.O It wasn't able to get close to touching the previous market leader (PS2's) sales, and wasn't even able to establish the same sort of marketshare dominance that, again, the previous market leader (again, the PS2) established over its competitors. Last generation was a significantly closer race than the mass stomping that was the Gamecube/Xbox/PS2 debacle.

I mean, granted, the two generations were different, other circumstances came into play, etc, etc, but we've already established none of that matters, only the raw numbers, so clearly the Wii, Xbox 360 and PS3 were all, unconditionally, and completely, underperforming. ...as was pretty much every console that came out before the PS2 as well.

Which brings us to; what EXACTLY do you think needs to be done to ensure a success? o.O If nobody has performed to the PS2's standards since the PS2 itself, or even before the PS2, then I guess this brings us back to 'People need to buy more consoles in general this generation'?



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Soundwave on 12 September 2014
thismeintiel said:

Lol, sorry, but now I just have to laugh at those downplaying these numbers.  It's starting to look a little desperate.  And why compare the PS4 with the Wii?  Only because it makes it look worse?  I think I know the answer to that, but let me ask you one more question.  Was the Wii the market leader in the US?  NO!  That honor goes to the 360.  So, why don't we look at the 360's sales in the US after launch compared to the PS4s:

              360                                    PS4
Nov. 2005 ~ 326k          Nov. 2013 ~ 1.14M
Dec. 2005 ~ 281k          Dec. 2013 ~ 863K
Jan. 2006 ~ 249k           Jan. 2014 ~ 271K
Feb. 2006 ~ 161k           Feb. 2014 ~ 285K     
Mar. 2006 ~ 192k          Mar. 2014 ~ 371K
Apr. 2006 ~ 295k            Apr. 2014 ~ 199K
May 2006 ~ 221k           May 2014 ~ 197K
Jun. 2006 ~ 277k            Jun. 2014 ~ 269K  
Jul. 2006 ~ 206k             Jul. 2014 ~ 187K
Aug. 2006 ~ 204k          Aug. 2014 ~ 190K
Sep. 2006 ~ 260k       

Ok, so that's a total of ~2.7M after 11 months for the 360 vs. ~4M for the PS4 in 10 months.  I even gave the 360 an extra month, however, that is for another reason.  You see, September is Destiny month.  PS4 is going to KILL the 360's 260K.  At least by ~2x.  Which means it would beat the Wii's 1st September, which was 501K.  That would also mean it would beat the PS2's, too.  Well, technically, I couldn't find its Sept 2001 numbers, but in 2002 it sold ~500K, so I assume they were probably close to the same.  Again, cherrypicking a few months, and only pitting it against a couple of consoles, just reeks of desperation. 

That looks like five fairly underwhelming months for the PS4 in a row. But I guess no one should mention that because it might ruffle a few feathers. 

The 360 was not the market leader, that would be the Wii. Why don't you put the Wii's first year up next to the PS4?



Intrinsic on 12 September 2014
Soundwave said:


The comparative market leaders (the PS2 and Wii) since the year 2000 (14 years ago now) perhaps? I'd say it's fair to compare. 

Saying "that will nevar happen again" is a bit of a cop out. Market leaders will get compared, the SNES had to be comapred to the NES, we use these comparisions as a metric of the industry, but fanboys don't understand that and think it's some stupid "my console is bettar than yourz" line of reasoning mistakanly. 

I got the same blow back from Nintendo fans who kept saying "but the 3DS has sold 20+ million alreadY!" when I would point out there were some disturbing month to month patterns developing in its sales way back and it was the same "b. ... bu ... but you can't compare to the DS!" schtick then too. Now even the most ardent fanboys are starting to realize that there is a real decline going on in that market sector. 

Jesus... ok, try comparing sales of Music CDs now to say 2000, 14 years ago. Hopefully you get how obtuse that would be.

i will just leave you with this

" The first time someone calls you a horse you punch him on the nose, the second time someone calls you a horse you call him a jerk but the third time someone calls you a horse, well then perhaps it's time to go shopping for a saddle." 



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fatslob-:O on 12 September 2014
Soundwave said:

That looks like five fairly underwhelming months for the PS4 in a row. But I guess no one should mention that because it might ruffle a few feathers. 

The 360 was not the market leader, that would be the Wii. Why don't you put the Wii's first year up next to the PS4?

It's 4 underwhelming months ... The rest are OK but point taken for the most part. 



Soundwave on 12 September 2014
Intrinsic said:
Soundwave said:


The comparative market leaders (the PS2 and Wii) since the year 2000 (14 years ago now) perhaps? I'd say it's fair to compare. 

Saying "that will nevar happen again" is a bit of a cop out. Market leaders will get compared, the SNES had to be comapred to the NES, we use these comparisions as a metric of the industry, but fanboys don't understand that and think it's some stupid "my console is bettar than yourz" line of reasoning mistakanly. 

I got the same blow back from Nintendo fans who kept saying "but the 3DS has sold 20+ million alreadY!" when I would point out there were some disturbing month to month patterns developing in its sales way back and it was the same "b. ... bu ... but you can't compare to the DS!" schtick then too. Now even the most ardent fanboys are starting to realize that there is a real decline going on in that market sector. 

Jesus... ok, try comparing sales of Music CDs now to say 2000, 14 years ago. Hopefully you get how obtuse that would be.

i will just leave you with this

" The first time someone calls you a horse you punch him on the nose, the second time someone calls you a horse you call him a jerk but the third time someone calls you a horse, well then perhaps it's time to go shopping for a saddle." 

Yes and we can't discuss that because? I thought this was a sales website? People have rationed discussion about the decline of the music industry in a logical manner all the time. 

Seems like you can't do that with video games because you'll get (I'm guessing) 3-4 kids who can't deal with their "hero brand" not being painted in the most flattering light and think you're attacking them.



Arkaign on 12 September 2014

This is going to be a hilarious thread to bring up after September NPD and after Jan 1st.

And all this for a $399 console and a total drought of 8g games in combination with the stink of remakes and cross-gen being commonplace for the 1st 12-18 months of XB1/PS4.



Soundwave on 12 September 2014
Arkaign said:
This is going to be a hilarious thread to bring up after September NPD and after Jan 1st.

And all this for a $399 console and a total drought of 8g games in combination with the stink of remakes and cross-gen being commonplace for the 1st 12-18 months of XB1/PS4.


I think everyone expects a large PS4 bump in September for obvious reasons, who is really going to be surprised by that?



thismeintiel on 12 September 2014
Aura7541 said:
Arkaign said:

Great post. I think it's very telling that people try to compare PS4 to the best selling consoles in history (PS2 and Wii) in order to attempt to downplay it.

If PS4 fizlles this holiday, then the haters will have a point. But the fact does remain that extremely high availability caused massive early sales to meet demand at a high level near launch. Past launches are riddled with hot selling consoles being supply limited, and there are TONS of examples of that. That's why you see some 300-400k off-holiday months for previous market leaders, but then you look at those older consoles and you find that yep, the supply was limited on launch.

Demand for PS4 is actually quite impressive considering the summer doldroms (games are more expensive to make, so you see less common releases of major titles of course). Things are going to bo bananas starting in September though.

PS4 is primed to have a solid shot at the biggest September sales of all time, or very near to it. If anyone tries to downplay those numbers when they're released, well I don't know what to say.

One could also easily make the point, going by indications that more PS4 Destiny Bundles have already been sold than XB1 Titanfall bundles have been sold in ALL of 2014, that a decent amount of customers were moved from June-August into September, nerfing the PS4's sales somewhat. Balancing it out, an average of June-September might well turn out to be ~375k roughly. We'll know soon enough.

It goes without saying that the people trying to downplay the PS4 sales are .. predictable, to be kind. And that's all I can say about that.

Yep, you two hit it on the noggin. You cannot form a conclusion about the PS4's performance until after you have observed its first autumn and non-launch winter. For instance, when fatslob said that he's disappointed with the PS4's performance, he really means that he's disappointed with the PS4's summer performance. However, that's not indicative of how it will be doing overall and we won't know that until after the holidays.

That also reminds me of when the Wii started to die off, though it was still out selling the 360/PS3.  It's sales during most of the year ranged from meh to good, with the other systems occasionally beating it.  But, when those holidays hit, damned if the Wii didn't pick up so much steam it would still outsell the other two.  Were Nintendo fans disappointed by the Wii's sales in those years?  Nope.  It was still whipping the other two.  It's just that it sold the most during the holidays.