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amak11 said:
Hoodieninja said:
amak11 said:
Hoodieninja said:


Unique Twists lol, honestly it's just another word for Gimmick. Which is what Nintendo's home consoles have been since the Wii.


Games not consoles, duh

to be fair I've seen more unique twists in Indie Games than I did with Nintendo Games. Games can also be gimmicky letalone Nintendo ones.

But I could argue all games have gimmicks why does Nintendo take the cake on this? The Last of Us had a zombie gimmick, Call of Duty has it's multiplayer gimmick. You are litterally condeming all games on one platform because of a one sided debate gimmick debate. Cat suit in mario is no more a gimmick than the bullet time effect in Max Payne. It's how you use that gimmick to enhance and make your game more enjoyable is what matters. If you want to classify it as a gimmick you must recognize the gimmicks in non-Nintendo games. 


You're confusing Fads, popularity, and trend with Gimmicks.



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Hoodieninja said:

But I could argue all games have gimmicks why does Nintendo take the cake on this? The Last of Us had a zombie gimmick, Call of Duty has it's multiplayer gimmick. You are litterally condeming all games on one platform because of a one sided debate gimmick debate. Cat suit in mario is no more a gimmick than the bullet time effect in Max Payne. It's how you use that gimmick to enhance and make your game more enjoyable is what matters. If you want to classify it as a gimmick you must recognize the gimmicks in non-Nintendo games. 


You're confusing Fads with Gimmicks.


No i'm not, you are the one who is confused. A gimmick is a trick; a fad is an intense and widely shared enthusiasm for something, especially one that is short-lived and without basis in the object's qualities. If all you have is a one line response to me then I see no point in continuing this conversation.



amak11 said:
Hoodieninja said:

But I could argue all games have gimmicks why does Nintendo take the cake on this? The Last of Us had a zombie gimmick, Call of Duty has it's multiplayer gimmick. You are litterally condeming all games on one platform because of a one sided debate gimmick debate. Cat suit in mario is no more a gimmick than the bullet time effect in Max Payne. It's how you use that gimmick to enhance and make your game more enjoyable is what matters. If you want to classify it as a gimmick you must recognize the gimmicks in non-Nintendo games. 


You're confusing Fads with Gimmicks.


No i'm not, you are the one who is confused. A gimmick is a trick; a fad is an intense and widely shared enthusiasm for something, especially one that is short-lived and without basis in the object's qualities. If all you have is a one line response to me then I see no point in continuing this conversation.


I re-edited my post to clarify. Popularity doesn't = Gimmicks.
Such as Zombies in The Last of Us.

Length of posts doesn't matter, quality > quantity.



Hoodieninja said:
amak11 said:
Hoodieninja said:

But I could argue all games have gimmicks why does Nintendo take the cake on this? The Last of Us had a zombie gimmick, Call of Duty has it's multiplayer gimmick. You are litterally condeming all games on one platform because of a one sided debate gimmick debate. Cat suit in mario is no more a gimmick than the bullet time effect in Max Payne. It's how you use that gimmick to enhance and make your game more enjoyable is what matters. If you want to classify it as a gimmick you must recognize the gimmicks in non-Nintendo games. 


You're confusing Fads with Gimmicks.


No i'm not, you are the one who is confused. A gimmick is a trick; a fad is an intense and widely shared enthusiasm for something, especially one that is short-lived and without basis in the object's qualities. If all you have is a one line response to me then I see no point in continuing this conversation.


I re-edited my post to clarify. Popularity doesn't = Gimmicks.
Such as Zombies in The Last of Us.

Length of posts doesn't matter, quality > quantity.


trends and fads can still be gimmicks. You can't hide behind an opinion on that. You are the one who is still confused on the matter. I'm done in this conversation between us. 



Man u must simple? Can u not adjust to it? i play on ps3 360 normal wii wii u all no problem just takes a few.mins to get used to differant controllers. Also I got a brilliant wii u controller on sale.for 10 pound like a 360.one so now I have the choice gamepad or not



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amak11 said:
Hoodieninja said:
amak11 said:
Hoodieninja said:

But I could argue all games have gimmicks why does Nintendo take the cake on this? The Last of Us had a zombie gimmick, Call of Duty has it's multiplayer gimmick. You are litterally condeming all games on one platform because of a one sided debate gimmick debate. Cat suit in mario is no more a gimmick than the bullet time effect in Max Payne. It's how you use that gimmick to enhance and make your game more enjoyable is what matters. If you want to classify it as a gimmick you must recognize the gimmicks in non-Nintendo games. 


You're confusing Fads with Gimmicks.


No i'm not, you are the one who is confused. A gimmick is a trick; a fad is an intense and widely shared enthusiasm for something, especially one that is short-lived and without basis in the object's qualities. If all you have is a one line response to me then I see no point in continuing this conversation.


I re-edited my post to clarify. Popularity doesn't = Gimmicks.
Such as Zombies in The Last of Us.

Length of posts doesn't matter, quality > quantity.


trends and fads can still be gimmicks. You can't hide behind an opinion on that. You are the one who is still confused on the matter. I'm done in this conversation between us. 

Have fun being wrong and thanks for the Condescending post, when in doubt Condescend.
If anything you're the one that is Confused and ignorant about what are gimmicks and what is Popular.  Zombie themed games a Gimmick? lol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimmick
In marketing language, a gimmick is a unique or quirky special feature that makes something "stand out" from its contemporaries.



amak11 said:
Spike0503 said:
amak11 said:

At least there is someone in this thread I can come to some agreement with. They were meant generally to be stern comments. People will argue that bar none Nintendo defines every genre they tapped in to. But I look at it like this, if you want story telling you go with the movie company (Sony). If you want a large expansive library of indie and normal games you go with Microsoft. If you want genre defining titles with unique twist you go with Nintendo. My comments pretty much come in line with people who support all platforms. Considering I have used a PS4 controller I feel like i can break it which makes it feel like a toy (though in reality all game consoles are toys). My Ps3 controller (as grimey as it is) also feels like I could break it, but when it was new it felt solid. 

I respect the fact that you give each company some credit, we are in agreement there, however, I disagree with the bolded sentence since I don't think you can speak for everyone who supports all platforms and also on the comments you have given for Sony, MS and Nintendo. All three of them have given huge contributions to the gaming landscape, Sony both in gameplay and story-telling and MS in more than indie games with their online focus, though I would agree with you in the fact that Nintendo has had the more success in their multi-genre approach, no arguments from me there.  Just to share my two cents, my favorite first party titles for the PS systems are God of War and the Crash Bandicoot games. I don't think anyone could state they are story telling-focused games, their focus is mainly gameplay. So Sony has been and can be more than a story telling-focused company.

With regards to your comments on the controllers, I can't speak for the DS4 since I don't own a PS4 yet, but I'm quite satisfied with my DS3 controllers and I find the DS design to be the most comfortable for me since the PS1 era.


I never really said I speak for everyone with that mind set. I said my comments generally come in line with people who are multi-platform supporters. I can't speak for other peoples opinions. :P 

Fair enough. I think we can agree to disagree on everything else then.



daredevil.shark said:
EricFabian said:


I always look at gamepad when I'm playing MH3, for exemple. And I use my Pro Controller to play.


1. For me it is distracting.

2. You spend anotehr $50 for that controller? So you also think pro controller is better. Nintendo really pushed this gimmick to gamers which is kinda useless.


so  you can't have a pro controller in the house at all if you like th gamepad more?

I have one for local multiplayer. When I play COD with my mate he uses it and I play on the gamepad.



 

 

BeElite said:

Its the god damn pad.

I played Super mario bros u and hated it, Pikmen was ok but now playing Kart and Zombie U i hate em.  Are all these games bad... Is it the games, nope its the damn weirdo controler its freaking awful.  I can't stand playing with the freaking pad especially after putting in serious time with the DS4.  I cant imagine handing that weird bulky thing over to anyone and them really enjoying playing with it, this thing seriosuly is the one true failure of the wiiu that can easily be rectified and doing so might even benefit the console with a new cheapest sku.

No doubt in my mind people would like the wiiu better and it would sale better if they made a pad less sku.  Even as a companion console to the PS4 or PC this things sales potential is hampred by a single decision that clearly did not pan out by can and should be recified asap. 

Ill have to buy a 3rd party add on and hopefully ican use my Ds4 to play U games, casue for now i refuse to buy a ninty controller. Extra 50 from me for this fak up they aint getting.  Seriously they went after hardcore gamers with that pad thing... wtf were they thinking.  

How much time have you spent using it?



Gotta figure out how to set these up lol.

Dusk said:
BeElite said:

Its the god damn pad.

I played Super mario bros u and hated it, Pikmen was ok but now playing Kart and Zombie U i hate em.  Are all these games bad... Is it the games, nope its the damn weirdo controler its freaking awful.  I can't stand playing with the freaking pad especially after putting in serious time with the DS4.  I cant imagine handing that weird bulky thing over to anyone and them really enjoying playing with it, this thing seriosuly is the one true failure of the wiiu that can easily be rectified and doing so might even benefit the console with a new cheapest sku.

No doubt in my mind people would like the wiiu better and it would sale better if they made a pad less sku.  Even as a companion console to the PS4 or PC this things sales potential is hampred by a single decision that clearly did not pan out by can and should be recified asap. 

Ill have to buy a 3rd party add on and hopefully ican use my Ds4 to play U games, casue for now i refuse to buy a ninty controller. Extra 50 from me for this fak up they aint getting.  Seriously they went after hardcore gamers with that pad thing... wtf were they thinking.  

How much time have you spent using it?

Really this argument. Can't people just not like the gamepad. For your information I've played with the gamepad for a month. I don't care to use it anymore.