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Haha does everyone in here still buy CDs and DVD/BluRays? An all digital future is coming and it will welcome you with open arms.



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archer9234 said:
VanceIX said:
Shadow1980 said:
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You don't own the game though, you own the disc itself. Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo/Publisher can still take away your rights to play the game, if not the disc, if they so wish. It doesn't happen, but it is possible.

And the idea that physical media lasts longer than digital is laughable. Unless you treat your physical media insanely well and never use it, it will degrade over time. Just by playing the game you risk scratching up the disc. On digital media, all of it is linked to the cloud, and you can just redownload it if something terrible happens and your HDD breaks. Of course, with the rise of SSDs, drive failure may be a thing of the past. My SSD will store all my games and take all kinds of physical damage without losing any information. Can't say that about discs. When I buy digital, I gain access to a vastly superior storage format, that allows me to not have to change discs and not worry about damage, not to mention download on multiple consoles. Just because you don't think it's "ownership" doesn't mean that the games aren't in my possession for me to enjoy whenever I want.

Steams to consoles is not apples or oranges at all -_-. Were you around when PC gamers made a huge fuss over Steam taking away their ownership rights, abd making it impossible for people with bad internet to use the service? They used the same arguments as you, abd now most of them have happily bought into the system.

You seem to think the console manufacturers will completely force people to go digital only. They won't. It'll be a slow transition, where more and more people choose digital due to the discounts and convenience. Over the last generation alone digital game purchases have grown exponentially, and are continuing to grow, whether or not you like it. If they do grow as they have been, maybe in the future, two or so generations from now, digital-only will be a possibility. That is ample time for more people to get better internet as well, seeing as how fast high speed internet is spreading due to the actions of companies like Google.

You're right on that stuff. But come on with the Discs dying stuff. Yes, if you have a console that has a defective lens. It breaks the disc. People aren't gonna keep that system. If you maintain basic care. Meaning no grabing the bottom, or leaving your disc out. Pressed discs can last 100 years. Burnt no. The layers fail over time. I have CD's that are 30+ years old now. I've ripped them to iTunes when needed. SDD aren't perfect. I've had some corrupt and had to reformat. Trust me, we'll reach that point of having to download 4TB of games again. You'll be cursing that moment. Not matter how fast your speed is. Not too long ago, I changed my PS4 HDD to 1TB. I had to reinstall all my games. I just have 5. Took only 30 mins, because I have discs. That would of taken 2 days of downloading.

I honestly just want both sides, digital/phsyical to survive with each other. That's all. And me playing my systems when my net dies is better than getting competlly screwed. My net died 7 times within 4 hours this morning. And two time while typing this comment. That's the part I don't want to deal with. And also were my stuff can run. When I rip my own DVD/CD/BD I can put them on any device as so I please. At what Bitrate I want it at etc. I want that control rather then give it to companies. People will be totally screwed with region locking in a digital enviroment. Apple is a perfect example of some BS they can pull: I've had a screw up with my credit card once. Where they withdrew the money for a app. My CC haulted it. And I then owed Apple 5$. In return, I couldn't update apps or download anything. Till that was cleared. But my DVD's/CD/BD rips all worked fine since nothing was tied to my itunes account. This had happened while I was going to work. I would of been without any form of media for that day out.

Oh, I don't mind having both discs and downloads, but publishers love digital sales, and that will be the format pushed the most down the road.

I personally have not had a drive need to be formatted, but it is different for everyone. What is undeniable, though, is that discs can break just as easily as drives, and if you keep an external drive with your games on it there is very little chance any data will ever be corrupted, probably less than a disc accidentally being dropped and scratched.



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VanceIX said:
archer9234 said:
VanceIX said:
Shadow1980 said:
-snip

You don't own the game though, you own the disc itself. Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo/Publisher can still take away your rights to play the game, if not the disc, if they so wish. It doesn't happen, but it is possible.

And the idea that physical media lasts longer than digital is laughable. Unless you treat your physical media insanely well and never use it, it will degrade over time. Just by playing the game you risk scratching up the disc. On digital media, all of it is linked to the cloud, and you can just redownload it if something terrible happens and your HDD breaks. Of course, with the rise of SSDs, drive failure may be a thing of the past. My SSD will store all my games and take all kinds of physical damage without losing any information. Can't say that about discs. When I buy digital, I gain access to a vastly superior storage format, that allows me to not have to change discs and not worry about damage, not to mention download on multiple consoles. Just because you don't think it's "ownership" doesn't mean that the games aren't in my possession for me to enjoy whenever I want.

Steams to consoles is not apples or oranges at all -_-. Were you around when PC gamers made a huge fuss over Steam taking away their ownership rights, abd making it impossible for people with bad internet to use the service? They used the same arguments as you, abd now most of them have happily bought into the system.

You seem to think the console manufacturers will completely force people to go digital only. They won't. It'll be a slow transition, where more and more people choose digital due to the discounts and convenience. Over the last generation alone digital game purchases have grown exponentially, and are continuing to grow, whether or not you like it. If they do grow as they have been, maybe in the future, two or so generations from now, digital-only will be a possibility. That is ample time for more people to get better internet as well, seeing as how fast high speed internet is spreading due to the actions of companies like Google.

You're right on that stuff. But come on with the Discs dying stuff. Yes, if you have a console that has a defective lens. It breaks the disc. People aren't gonna keep that system. If you maintain basic care. Meaning no grabing the bottom, or leaving your disc out. Pressed discs can last 100 years. Burnt no. The layers fail over time. I have CD's that are 30+ years old now. I've ripped them to iTunes when needed. SDD aren't perfect. I've had some corrupt and had to reformat. Trust me, we'll reach that point of having to download 4TB of games again. You'll be cursing that moment. Not matter how fast your speed is. Not too long ago, I changed my PS4 HDD to 1TB. I had to reinstall all my games. I just have 5. Took only 30 mins, because I have discs. That would of taken 2 days of downloading.

I honestly just want both sides, digital/phsyical to survive with each other. That's all. And me playing my systems when my net dies is better than getting competlly screwed. My net died 7 times within 4 hours this morning. And two time while typing this comment. That's the part I don't want to deal with. And also were my stuff can run. When I rip my own DVD/CD/BD I can put them on any device as so I please. At what Bitrate I want it at etc. I want that control rather then give it to companies. People will be totally screwed with region locking in a digital enviroment. Apple is a perfect example of some BS they can pull: I've had a screw up with my credit card once. Where they withdrew the money for a app. My CC haulted it. And I then owed Apple 5$. In return, I couldn't update apps or download anything. Till that was cleared. But my DVD's/CD/BD rips all worked fine since nothing was tied to my itunes account. This had happened while I was going to work. I would of been without any form of media for that day out.

Oh, I don't mind having both discs and downloads, but publishers love digital sales, and that will be the format pushed the most down the road.

I personally have not had a drive need to be formatted, but it is different for everyone. What is undeniable, though, is that discs can break just as easily as drives, and if you keep an external drive with your games on it there is very little chance any data will ever be corrupted, probably less than a disc accidentally being dropped and scratched.

Totally right. If you're careless. Just like if you knock over your external drive.



archer9234 said:

Totally right. If you're careless. Just like if you knock over your external drive.

That's what I'm trying to say -_-

And plenty of people are occasionally careless, not everyone handles their games with the greatest care possible. A lot of people have kids that want to play the games, or pets that could somehow get to them. Life happens.

At least SSDs are much more life proof than HDDs and discs. 



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Xbox One - PS4 - Wii U - PC

retailers wont like this.
will they suport more MS and Nintendo?



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JOKA_ said:
Haha does everyone in here still buy CDs and DVD/BluRays? An all digital future is coming and it will welcome you with open arms.

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Rough estimate, between 25 and 30 TB of data on that wall.

I'll crack out the old Intellivision my wife bought 2 years ago at a garage sale with a box of games for $10. Have some fun with the kids with Burger time, frogger, star command etc and some weird games using the speech modulator. Too bad my grand children won't have that fun anymore when consoles disappear.



Yeah the hell with that, what happens when the internet glitches or slows down or shut's down? I don't like it one bit. Were moving to fast for us to handle not just in video games but technology in general, it's gonna blow up in our face here before to long. consoles and hard copies are perfectly fine. #if it ain't broke don't try to fix it



I get the feeling for better or worse, our kids will laugh at us when we tell them we had to drive to the store and pay $50-$60 a pop for one single game that came on some type of shiny plastic disc. Heck, they may even laugh at the concept of a dedicated game console in and of itself. 



All I can say is that if you guys would have bought the Saturn, Dreamcast, N64 and Gamecube over the PS1 and PS2, you wouldn't have a gaming industry where the leading console maker obsesses over stuff like this.

You guys got exactly the game industry that you deserve when you made your console choices over history.



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Soundwave said:

I get the feeling for better or worse, our kids will laugh at us when we tell them we had to drive to the store and pay $50-$60 a pop for one single game that came on some type of shiny plastic disc. Heck, they may even laugh at the concept of a dedicated game console in and of itself. 

I agree, people always tend to fear and speak ill of newer techs that change the current paradigm they are used to. But when the time passes and the tech is finally consolidated, they just look at the past and laugh at it. As a result, the new tech becomes the mainstream while the old one becomes a niche-collector material.