And with that, I'm not wasting another word of argument with you.

You're not interested in arguing facts, you're only interested in trying to cast anybody who would be optimistic about Wii U in a negative light, and the system itself negatively at the same time. Wii U sales in the last two months have quite closely mirrored Xbox 360 sales in the equivalent months of 2007. Nobody then described Xbox 360 sales as "shit". You have completely ignored the context of the discussion, in order to justify attacking the Wii U, and me, for something that wasn't actually said.

Good day to you.

The thing is you're speculating here, the Wii U and X1 might be mistracked but we don't know. We do in fact know that the PS4 is undertracked, because even if Sonys numbers are internal estimates, they are still way more accurate than Vgchartz numbers and I doubt that they'd lie about something like that on stage.

Also the Wii U has a much higher probability of actually being overtracked, seeing that Vgchartz has the system at over 6.54 million units at the end of June with just 6.67 million units shipped, which puts it at less than 130k units stock or about 2 weeks at the rate vgchartz is saying the Wii U is selling at, don't know about you, but I find that a little unrealistic. X1 might be undertrracked, but we really have nothing to go on here.

And yes I was averaging, I know, but think about it, there were only 2 big games that could really move systems released in that window, Watch Dogs and TLOU:R, how much can we seriously have undertracked those weeks? The baseline of the PS4 has to be considerably higher than what this site is showing at the moment.

Lol.... ok, anything you say. I am/have attacked the wiiU and you and I am trying to paint the WiiU and somehow alll its fans, in bad light.

Pls, not wasting another word on me is something I would consider as you doing me a favor. Arguing facts? How is it possible that someone can ignore what was actually being said 3 times over now and take all this off to this strange offbase personal tangent. If you actually read what I was saying and not play this victim role you would actually see that contrary to what you may think, I actually was not and never was attacking 'you" or the WiiU.

But yh.............

bold, i'd say someday in 2015

According to VGC In June and July most of the weeks PS4 sold just over WiiU and Xbone combined, except few weeks when sold just under WiiU and Xbone combined. That data has to be ajusted in favour PS4 as we know VGC shows 9.3 mln and Sony just announced 10 mln., so after adjustment sales will go even more in favour of PS4. Thats the current trends I see looking at the data. What You see is up to You.

PS4 is selling well but I doubt it will out do the sales of the other two combined this year. Both have some pretty good games to move hardware this holiday.

It could.   I would say yes.

I honestly don't know what his problem is... he is selectively looking at the "facts" he wants to see and even worse in a way that would suit his stance.

In 2014.

• PS4: 5.5M sold (adjusted using sony's annouced 10M consoles sold, VGC has it at 4.8+M)
• WiiU: 1.5M sold (but hell, lets adjust it up to 2M to make people like him happy, added an imaginary 500k)
• XB1: 1.9M sold (again, lets adjust this up to 2.4M, also adding an imaginary 500k)

So WiiU + XB1 real(and adjusted totals) = 3.4M (4.4M adjusted)

So

• PS4 is 5.5M adjusted with sony announcement compared to 4.4M for the wiiU+XB1 after adding an imaginary 1M worth of sales to them. 
• PS4 is 5.5M to the WiiU+XB1 3.4M is using VGCs current numbers for them. (61% of total PS4 sales)
• PS4 is 4.8M (using pre adjusted VGC current numbers) to 3.4M for wiiU+XB1

I cannot think of how anyone will look at these numbers and say/suggest that the PS4 is not selling at an overall faster rate... unless

1. The person disputes sony's announcement and suggests its a convenient lie cause they didn't make a press release announcing that milestone instead of choosing to wait a week or so (which they did) to announce at at a global media briefing.
   
   
2. The person has no concept of averages and how if sampling any time period of data it is always best to use an average as a baseline rather than focus on whatever natural factors (eg new game being released, price drop..etc) skew numbers in either direction.
   
   
3. The person is delusional (used literally and not as an insult so pls to whom it may concern look up the literal definition to see how it applies to this) and his/her inclinations/preferences has completely clouded his/her  ability to reason and/or process statistical evidence and thus makes the exception the rule or simply sensationalizes everything and contorts the facts. 
   
   
4. The person bases his/her reasoning on generally shared constants across a sample base (eg. new wanted/popular game or price drop that will boost sales of which ever benefiting platform they happen for) and somehow manages to forget that what he/she is saying can and will also apply to the other platforms eg. WiiU had MK8 and PS4 will have Destiny (or insert any other system supposed system seller there).

Of course I'm speculating. That's what everybody here is doing. We don't have solid, undoubtable numbers. And as for Sony, I wouldn't put it past them in terms of lying on stage, when there's no way for them to get caught and their statement serves as very good PR for them. Also note that they said, on August 12th, that they'd hit 10 million by August 10th... how on earth could they get sufficiently accurate numbers within just two days, when even the dedicated market-tracking companies require weeks at least to get their data?

Also, the window also contained Wolfenstein: The New Order (over 300k sold in week 1), MLB 14 The Show (200k in week 1), and EA Sports UFC (230k in week 1). Not as significant as Watch_Dogs, sure, but still definitely big enough to impact sales... and yet, no such boost was observed for any of them. Heck, Watch_Dogs sold 1.6 million copies in week 1 on PS4, yet only boosted PS4 sales by 58% (about 60k), according to VGChartz. Perhaps these are the places that it was undertracked, and actual PS4 sales are at around 9.7 million rather than 10 million - I could certainly see Sony fudging the numbers that far in order to make the announcement at Gamescom rather than just via press release.

And no, the baseline doesn't have to be "considerably higher". You can argue that you consider the baseline being higher to be the most plausible argument, but it's not the only possibility. And that's my point - we don't have enough information to conclude what has "really" happened, we can only speculate, using the information that we do have.

Also, I could certainly see the Wii U stock being about 2 weeks off sold-out at any point right now. Retailers have, on the whole, been wary of stocking the Wii U in large quantities since the great slowdown of 2013. So when MK8 released and sales boosted, retailers probably kept ordering a few weeks worth of current sales numbers in advance, anticipating a slowdown that never came. And with no notable games releasing for a couple of months after that point, there was no reason for them to stock up in anticipation of another rush. So 130k left on shelves does seem entirely plausible to me.

I don't believe that a company would tell such a straight up lie on stage at Gamescom, Sony could have stayed ambiguous, could have stated a simple shipped number for example, the fact that they deliberately went out of their way to even specify "yes, we mean sold to customers", leads me to believe that they're not lying here, sure those numbers are still internal estimates, but I'd say that they are extremely close.

And yes it is just by far the most plausible explanation that the baseline is considerably higher, the couple games releasing in that quarter actually making up boosts of that magnitude seems pretty unlikely, I think the tracking being off in Europe and the Rest of the World, something that has been proven time and time again, on a weekly basis seems like a more plausible explanation.

Regarding the Wii U, I would disagree, but at this point in time neither you nor I have real tangible proof for our standpoints, so it seems pretty unnecessary to dicuss this.