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starcraft on 27 February 2008
Moneybags said:
 

 

uu..starcraft...are you ok? If ps3 launched at $2000 and had 3 $400 price cuts it would still be at a price disadvantage. Did you say Fanboys told you the library was great? Don't listent to them. The library isn't very good(I've only bought one ps3 game). The ps3 taking 3 years to catch up? It could take that long. But that's my point it WILL catch up for sure. Did I say the ps3 was out selling the 360 in NA on merit alone? Nope,sorry. But I did say it was out selling it. Wether it's because of BR or shortages.I don't know. But its a blow to M$ either way. I also this would not continue. This is too easy. anything to say now? Just keep it coming.

Do you honestly think that the PS3 'catching up' to the 360 makes the console successful?  No matter what happens, Sony is going to go from absolutely DOMINATING the console space to being thrashed by Nintendo and matched or close by Microsoft.  This is a failure on Sony's part.

IF you believe that the Sony console's line-up "isn't very good," why do you criticise me for not being enthused when discussing the console? 



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ils411 on 27 February 2008
starcraft said:
ils411 said:
 

shortage - lack; scarcity; deficit; deficiency

plenty of arcades and halos out there...so there is no 360 shortage. to claim that there was a shortage would mean that there was barely to no available 360 no matter what model. but theres an abundance of arcades so there is no shortage.

and no, it had only one $100 price cut on two skus. two $100 price ctus would mean that a $599 80gig would be priced at $399 coz of two $100 price cut. but its priced at $499 so thats just one price cut.

so in summary

1. word of the day is shortage - lack; scarcity; deficit; deficiency

2. one $100 price cut is $599 to $499 which is true for the 80gig. two $100 price cut is $599 tp $499 to $399 which is not true for any ps3 sku. and no, the 40gig was introduced at $399 and no price has been cut.


Actually there is a significant shortage of Pro models and Elites.  As the Pro model is the most popular, and the Elite the second most popular, many consumers are unable to purchase the Xbox 360 model they want due to an inherant SHORTAGE andare therefore WAITING or buying a PS3.

As for the price cuts, there were two.  Before you became a member, there was a big thread discussing them.  For a period of time after the 20gb was officially dropped but the 80gb hadn't received a price drop, the lowest official entry price for the PS3 was $599.  It then dropped to $499.  And then it dropped again to $399.

Thanks for playing. 


now that's better. claiming that the 360 had a shortage is misleading, but if you specify it like so, then i'd have no trouble accepting it.

as for the price cut, when sony dropped prices, they also changed skus. so comparing a 60gig which droped from $599 to $499 to the 40gig which was introduced at $399 is incorrect as these are different models. though they may both be entry models, they are still not the same sku.



starcraft on 27 February 2008
Xiru said:
starcraft said:
 


Shorter games? Have you played Heavenly Sword???

Sony have to prove that BR is NECESSARY for gaming if they want people to pay the highly inflated console price to have it. Given Mass Effect is graphically impressive, up to 40 hours long, and comes on one disk, I'd say Sony are a long way from proving this wouldnt you?


Killzone 2. :)


What about it?  OH wait, let me guess.  I'm betting your going to spin the Sony PR line about 2gb per level arn't you? (You can be honest, I wont tease you).  Sony also said that Heavenly Sword had 10gb of audio, and the game was 5 hours long.  They also said that Motorstorm took up 22gb of space, and that game had mediocre graphics and simply BORING gameplay.

The thing is Xuru, Sony lies, like all companies.  What they actually do is fail to compress some games simply for PR purposes.  Normally, third parties compress anyway, to save server space and to make information and development transfer quicker and easier.  Lionhead has stated that their compression techniques allow them to make data one hundredth it's original size without any noticeable quality loss.

So Sony failing to do this is either incompetence or deception. Take your pick? 



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Xiru on 27 February 2008

It wasn't Sony that stated it. If it were Sony, then I would be dubious, but it was the developers.

 Here is the quote:

Guerrilla's Managing Director Herman Hulst stated of being able to develop exclusively for the PlayStation 3: "It's a huge benefit. If you're developing a game on multiple platforms there are restrictions you always have to take into consideration.

"We are taking huge advantage of the architecture of PS3. I firmly believe that what we've shown we can get out of that machine would be difficult, if not impossible, to deliver on a competing machine."

Ter Heide went on to point out the advantages of Blu-ray on the PS3: "To make it simple, the Xbox 360 doesn't have SixAxis or Blu-ray. PlayStation 3 does. And for us that's a really big thing. The level you've just seen is 2GB. We really need Blu-ray to make the game. I don't know how you could fit it on Xbox 360 without taking some shortcuts."



starcraft on 27 February 2008
ils411 said:
starcraft said:
 

Actually there is a significant shortage of Pro models and Elites. As the Pro model is the most popular, and the Elite the second most popular, many consumers are unable to purchase the Xbox 360 model they want due to an inherant SHORTAGE andare therefore WAITING or buying a PS3.

As for the price cuts, there were two. Before you became a member, there was a big thread discussing them. For a period of time after the 20gb was officially dropped but the 80gb hadn't received a price drop, the lowest official entry price for the PS3 was $599. It then dropped to $499. And then it dropped again to $399.

Thanks for playing.


now that's better. claiming that the 360 had a shortage is misleading, but if you specify it like so, then i'd have no trouble accepting it.

as for the price cut, when sony dropped prices, they also changed skus. so comparing a 60gig which droped from $599 to $499 to the 40gig which was introduced at $399 is incorrect as these are different models. though they may both be entry models, they are still not the same sku.


Now thats better.  Now you have clarified that you are talking solely about the gimped SKU that is missing some of what Sony defined as 'core' features at the console's launch, I have no trouble accepting what your saying. 



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Girl Gamer Elite on 27 February 2008
ils411 said:
Girl Gamer Elite said:
ils411 said:
Girl Gamer Elite said:
 

Yes because what the 360 needed the most was a hardware component to make it more expensive and also appeal to people who don't buy games.


actually, the bd laser in the ps3 makes it future proof. not coz it can play bd movies, but coz it can offer more storage.  since the ps3 is capable of displaying 1080i resolutions (meh...probably 720 but hey...), for games to take advantage of this, they would need to have a large storage space.  and the bd disk is just the thing for hd game graphics.  its just like bd movies, want hd image? you nead more storage. so in the end, once game publishers have gotten the hang of the ps3s architecture, we would see better graphics on the ps3 as it can handle the additional storage requirements.


"FUTURE PROOF"?!...

Oh god where is the bingo board when you need it? Please tell me you're not serious?

I guess now you're going to tell me that the 360 isn't doing well because people aren't willing to work two jobs for it? Is the 360 not true "4D gaming"?

Oh yes and Blu-Ray offers so much storage, just ignore all the data you have to preload onto your PS3 to make games play, hope you either bought the 80GB or don't plan on owning that many games, lol!


umm, yes, i am serious. i'm talking about games ok? not hardware but games.  as i already said, hd graphics would need more storage space hence the bd. bd disks can offer better graphics/resolutions without sacrificing game length or anything else because of its storage capacity. 

you can easily upgrage your ps3s hd. sony evan has a tutorial on how to do it. or maybe you didnt know that lol!

plus, ever heard of uninstall? sure sure youd argue that its troublesome to install and unstiall a game over and over again. and my respond to that is so what? i get hd quality graphics and little to no load time.


Oh does Sony give you the bigger HDD for free then? That's so kind of them.

Sadly your argument for the PS3 basically boils down to what i potentially can be, not what it is or ever will be.



Neos on 27 February 2008

One would expect more brains from a mod..ah well..

zackblue for mod!



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starcraft on 27 February 2008
Xiru said:
It wasn't Sony that stated it. If it were Sony, then I would be dubious, but it was the developers.

 Im sorry mate, but who do you think pays those developer's salaries?  They were all first or second party.



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Moneybags on 27 February 2008
starcraft said:
Moneybags said:
 

 

uu..starcraft...are you ok? If ps3 launched at $2000 and had 3 $400 price cuts it would still be at a price disadvantage. Did you say Fanboys told you the library was great? Don't listent to them. The library isn't very good(I've only bought one ps3 game). The ps3 taking 3 years to catch up? It could take that long. But that's my point it WILL catch up for sure. Did I say the ps3 was out selling the 360 in NA on merit alone? Nope,sorry. But I did say it was out selling it. Wether it's because of BR or shortages.I don't know. But its a blow to M$ either way. I also this would not continue. This is too easy. anything to say now? Just keep it coming.

Do you honestly think that the PS3 'catching up' to the 360 makes the console successful?  No matter what happens, Sony is going to go from absolutely DOMINATING the console space to being thrashed by Nintendo and matched or close by Microsoft.  This is a failure on Sony's part.

IF you believe that the Sony console's line-up "isn't very good," why do you criticise me for not being enthused when discussing the console? 


Ps3 being successful has nothing to do with the arguement so i'm not even going to go there. And just becuase you don't like the game lineup on a console that came out a little over a year ago does not warrant all you negativity towards it on Sony message boards. You keep taking the argument all over the place because I keep shutting you down so you have to find something else.

thekitchensink on 27 February 2008

It's incorrect to say that the PS3 had 2 $100 price drops, due to the fact that there were many SKUs introduced and taken away.

It's not incorrect to say that, at launch, the version that most people wanted was $599, and now, the version that most people want is $399.

Fair enough?



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