DerNebel said:
Giggs_11 said:
czecherychestnut said:
You are probably seeing such vehement defense because never has a game and its existance been so attacked before, most of the 'defense' that I've seen has evolved around the fact it is just a game and why should people complain about a highly rated game being ported across to PS4 so that more people can enjoy it? I've never seen such a degree of entitlement from so many people who think they should be able to decide what games should exist or otherwise, people saying "this game is a cash grab and shouldn't exist" rather than just saying "I don't think its value for money so I won't buy it".
OT, 69k is great sales for the UK and I can see TLOU:R doing an easy 1.5 million. The bit I've even more excited about is seeing the experience ND have gotten from porting TLOU:R to the PS4 in the quality and polish of UC4. The jump in graphics from UC1 to UC2 was quite noticeable, and hopefully they've gained a similar amount of experience on PS4 from doing TLOU:R to have the same effect with UC4.
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(1)Except most of those attacks come from Sony fans/owners. It's not like people think they can decide what games should exist, it's more like you're in a gaming forum, people come here to expose their opinions and they rightfully do so. I, for one, although this being the 1st time I say anything about this subject in vgchartz, ain't happy with TLOU remastered. And it's my right to be so. I don't say this is a cash grab, at least no more than dlc and other remakes. People will still buy and by doing so they'll be giving developers more reason to continuing with this practices.
As far as i'm concerned, the reason I don't agree with this game is cuz they released it last year, I bought it last year (although I haven't played it yet, my brother did), and (2)if they had spend the resources they spent on making this remaster in making another game or at least helping other games, like say Uncharted 4, being finished faster would've been much better for me. And they say it's because most PS4 owners didn't own a PS3 last gen? What a load of crap... And even if it where true, I've had PS1, PS2 ands PS3, so I've been a Sony customer for years, (3)and now, at the start of a new gen, when games are needed the most, they're more worried about those who weren't Sony costumers than those who were? Yeah thanks for rewarding these 15 years of brand loyalty.
Anyway, that's my take on the subject. But who cares, that's the state of the industry right now, and TLOUR will still sell lots of copies. My PS4 purchase is just coming a little later now.
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(1) Not true
(2) All games have different stages in their development and you don't need all people in every stage of game development, we know that one of the ND games is still in early planning stages, so it doesn't really need graphical engineers, as for UC4, that doesn't need more people because Sony wants this to be their holiday 2015 title most likely anyway, so why have it done faster? They certainly wouldn't have managed to finish it by holiday 2014, even with those maybe 15-20 people (if at all) that did the remaster.
(3) They are making new games and if they didn't make this Remaster then that wouldn't have meant that they could have suddenly whipped out a new AAA game for this summer in its place. If you want to blame something Sony did for the lack of exclusive retail games on the PS4 this year, then blame the thing that a lot of us constantly praise Sony with, the fact that they continue to support their older system for so long. Out of GoW:A, Puppeteer, Beyond and GT6 they could have easily picked 2 and instead released them on PS4 this year, personally I think Puppeteer (would have sold miles better on PS4) and GoW:A could have easily been made into early PS4 games and nobody would even think of bitching about the lack of exclusives on the PS4 this year.
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1) Actually it's quite true. I don't know who you've been talking to or what you've been reading but what I see in forums I attend and what my gaming friends say (fyi where I live is like Sonyland) is bitching and moaning about this game. Of course the idiot usual fanboys (attention mods, I'm not calling anyone fanboy here, jus for the sake of the discussion) will criticize everything Sony does so they will attack TLOUR, the problem is many Sony fans will do to. You said it yourself, "never has a game and its existance been so attacked before", and why do you think that is? In this generation the Sony fanbase grows at the cost of the other fanbases, but still TLOU:R, in your own words, is the game most attacked ever? Ins't it contradictory? The usual anti Sony will attack it, now also a few pro-Sony are attacking it. There's not one single PS4 owner who will criticize Uncharted4, but be sure there are many who dislike TLOU:R.
(2) and (3) Those excuses u're making are too far fetched. I'm sorry but it's like you're trying too hard. Just don't agree with what ur saying. You speak as you actually know their projects, their timelines, how many people they have in each department, how many people they need, etc. So, either you are work at ND and are here as an insider (actually that'd be pretty cool :D) or you're just making stuff up, probably based on some rumours you read somewhere, and making your own assumptions out of those rumours. But I too can play this game:
They can finish UC4 faster and put it on hold and just release it when they want too, we've seen stuff like this happen lots of times. Meanwhile those who were working on UC4 start working on a new project/go help on another on going project to make it so it will release sooner. Also Sony wouldn't risk UC4 missing their holiday 2015 release and date let it slip to 2016, so they should put as much workforce on it as they can. Anyway, you know it's common practice, when several studios are owned by the same company (in this case Sony), for studios to temporarly lend people from one to other studio, or for studios to help other studio finish their game, when there is lack of workers or surplus of labour in those companies? Why not helping out other projects within the mother company? For last, why not make another remaster? I've been playing the 1st Uncharted which is from 2007. It has much more room for improvement and its a much older game.
I'm sorry but I just think ur trying too hard defending Sony. It's ok to like a company and still pointing out to things u don't like them doing. And even if you agree with TLOU:R, u don't have to try to debunk the points I made, maybe they're just not debunkable because they make sense?
