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Jumpin on 04 August 2014
DerNebel said:
Jumpin said:
DerNebel said:

No, what I'm doing is applying logic to them, the thing you completely fail to do, you can't view those sales in a vacuum, you have to look at what point in its life the PS4 is currently in.

Also hilarious how you tell me that I'm making a spin by examining past sales and then compare the PS4 to past Wii sales, at least try to have some consistency in your argument. And the whole Wii comparison is still pointless as the Wii had, as has been said time and again, a extraordinary short life with explosive sales, while PS consoles have always had longer lives.

I've said it over and over already but the PS4 does not need to outsell the Wii now to outsell it in its life. The PS4 is doing very well right now and if you claim otherwise, then sorry but you're really clueless.

So then, let's compare it to PS2:

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/PlayStation_2

PS2 launched in March 2000 in Japan, and fall 2000 everywhere else. At the end of March 2001 it had shipped 10.6m, and by the end of summer 2001 quarter, in September, it had shipped an additional 9 million units, for a total of 19.57 million, or an average of about 345K shipped per week.

You are attempting to twist PS4's current 117K into a good number, when it is in fact a poor number.

So your criterion for not doing poor is either to do as well as the best selling console of all time or as well as the fastest selling console of all time, genius.

I guess the PS3 or 360 both sold poor then and I mean really poor.

 

 

 

I am not arguing that the PS3 and Xbox 360 were not selling poorly in the early part of the last generation. In fact, I would argue that they WERE selling poorly, and only sold well later. In addition, we have examples of consoles that sold well in the early part of the generation, the Wii and PS2, and these represent what the sales of a good selling console in the early part of a generation equate to.

If the PS4 was selling good, it should be selling ~200K+ per week, but it is selling only 95K-130K per week.



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DerNebel on 04 August 2014
Jumpin said:
DerNebel said:

So your criterion for not doing poor is either to do as well as the best selling console of all time or as well as the fastest selling console of all time, genius.

I guess the PS3 or 360 both sold poor then and I mean really poor.

 

 

 

I am not arguing that the PS3 and Xbox 360 were not selling poorly in the early part of the last generation. In fact, I would argue that they WERE selling poorly, and only sold well later. In addition, we have examples of consoles that sold well in the early part of the generation, the Wii and PS2, and these represent what the sales of a good selling console in the early part of a generation equate to.

If the PS4 was selling good, it should be selling ~200K+ per week, but it is selling only 95K-130K per week.

That is total bullshit, but I'm not going to continue this discussion with you, it's pointless and derailing the thread.



torok on 04 August 2014
Jumpin said:
PS4 is doing rather poorly itself. It just happens to be doing the 2nd best out of a bunch of consoles that are doing poorly.


It's ahead of the PS2 whenyou align launch data. The only thing that beats him is the Wii, but that one had poor legs and died in 4 years while we can expect that the PS4 will have legs like its antecessors. There is no way to spin it and say otherwise.



Bet with jetforcejiminy: PS4 will pass the Wii lifetime numbers.

AnthonyW86 on 04 August 2014
torok said:
Jumpin said:
PS4 is doing rather poorly itself. It just happens to be doing the 2nd best out of a bunch of consoles that are doing poorly.


It's ahead of the PS2 whenyou align launch data. The only thing that beats him is the Wii, but that one had poor legs and died in 4 years while we can expect that the PS4 will have legs like its antecessors. There is no way to spin it and say otherwise.


Actually PS4 is still ahead of the Wii even if we look at shipment data. The difference being offcourse that the Wii was still completely selling out.

And keep in mind that console gaming is struggling in Japan and so are PS4 sales there. If we look at the U.S. and Europe PS4 is still ahead by a large margin.