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WhiteEaglePL said:

Yay it's another day!!!!! I am severely sun burnt and I shall stay at home all day again, apart from the Camel Riding in the morning.


Now whoever is the postman here, inform me of any accussations ,suspicions, likeking, disliking, sorcery , witchcraft , spying and angry people that have ANYTHING to do with me please on behalf of my inactivemess the WOWisdom knows the reason to.


Consider me the postman and Im telling you all of the people are mad at you for all of the things..



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Moderator Note

If I see any Role Card or PM quotes going forward or anything that even resembles such you will be mod-killed and removed from the game instantly.  Paraphrasing and using your own words to roleclaim is acceptable.  I have been fairly lax so far and going forward that will not be the case.

Please consider this a stern warning.  There won't be another.



Words Of Wisdom said:

Moderator Note

If I see any Role Card or PM quotes going forward or anything that even resembles such you will be mod-killed and removed from the game instantly.  Paraphrasing and using your own words to roleclaim is acceptable.  I have been fairly lax so far and going forward that will not be the case.

Please consider this a stern warning.  There won't be another.

Thanks for the warning ^.^



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All Hail the Jester King. The King is back, and I am still a dirty girl prof ;)

Nicklesbe said:
WhiteEaglePL said:

Yay it's another day!!!!! I am severely sun burnt and I shall stay at home all day again, apart from the Camel Riding in the morning.


Now whoever is the postman here, inform me of any accussations ,suspicions, likeking, disliking, sorcery , witchcraft , spying and angry people that have ANYTHING to do with me please on behalf of my inactivemess the WOWisdom knows the reason to.


Consider me the postman and Im telling you all of the people are mad at you for all of the things..

Er.um.hmm.WHAT?! OH OH!!!  RUN EUN RUN FOR MY LIVES!!!!!!!! ARGHHHHHHHHHH.must.use.suncream O:.

 ARGHHHHHH IT BURNS IT BURNS!!!!!  :●  Why do I have yen? ME NOT KNOW JAPANESE POSTMAN AHHHH oooh, cupcakes!!!

Postmen too confusing, too much everything. Send me a postWOMAN. G'Night.



Nicklesbe said:

Thanks for answering RCT. I'm not convinced in either direction, I hope others will have more input on this. I don't want to rush a decision in either direction and I do appreciate your input.

1. If you are also a townie and want to help town please don't give up. Lies will unravel and the truth always shines through. At this point I am confused. TheProf, Sparks, Trucks, Padib, Smeags, and anyone else, can ya help me to understand this? Are you saying that you gave up, and took your vote off outlaw condemning yourself, and then immediately revealed your role? That doesn't seem like it was the way things went down. The chain of events seems off. From what I remember there was a time when you had the votes on you but sparks and theprof were saying we should vote for outlaw. Then you took your vote off outlaw condemning yourself, a bold move that made me think hard about a vote on outlaw instead. Then Padib used his power to save outlaw and a discussion started for testing padib's claim. Then others including myself moved our votes to outlaw, at this point you were very safe and then you revealed your role. Am I mistaken at all everyone? Input would be greatly appreciated.

2. So let me get this straight. You read the note and and decided, unprovoked to immediately make a post telling us you were attacked? No one else had any influence on that decision, and you told us right away? Are you sure that's how it happened? If so can you explain this?  From the looks of it you kept the info to yourself until sparks mentioned the possibility that someone attacked a player and we wouldn't necessarily know. That's when you said that you had been attacked.

3. Why be upset about it? Why not go into that line of questioning yourself? What's stopping you? If you think it's fishy then you need to question it. It doesn't do us any good being quiet about it and not pursuing it. As I said before until someone gives me reason to think they were the one that was protected instead I;m not sure what else I can ask. Do you have any questions I could ask? If so please share. For the sake of it tho TheProf00 can please answer this question: Did you lie about being protected? Can you give us reason to believe you were protected? Care to summerize the note that WoW sent you letting you know you were protected?

Also RCT you never answered my questions why you didn't put your vote back on Outlaw and why you kept your vote open. However I know you said you were on lunch so maybe you were just rushed. Would apprecaite more input from you. Also from everyone input would be great because I don't want to be making any mistakes so any and all input and corrections would be appreciated. 

 The events went as followed: 

 1.  I came back after a half-day and saw a lot of people voting against me. 

 2. I figured that I wouldn't have enough time to explain my reasons/behavior in enough detail to get people to change their minds and unvote me in time to save me. 

3. I figured that I should at this point reveal my role and let people know the truth and have it confirmed once I'm lynched so the townspeople have something to go off of.

4. Truck began to ask me a couple questions about whom I found suspicious and whom I thought was town.

5. During those questions, combining my lack of hope and realizing my wrongdoing for voting someone for bandwagoning as I saw others do to me, I figured I should leave the game with a clear conscience, so I unvoted.

So basically the order was seeing what had happened, losing hope, revealing my role, getting questioned a little, answering questions/unvoting, confirming (what I thought was) my fate.

I didn't fight because I didn't think the efforts or defense would turn tables at that point (After seeing the voting frenzy after, I now think otherwise).

I gave my info as soon as I could. I didn't see my event/the beginning of day 2 until that discussion was well underway. Giving the info ASAP didn't mean the very first post of day 2, but as soon as I saw it, I knew that I had to let everyone know.

I guess my thing is that theprof00 is taking charge of a lot of discussion. While I commend him for keeping the game going, I'm also curious why so many people seem to accept everything he says rather easily. I didn't press on because a lot of the focus has been on my behavior and everyone would see such accusation as a way to take off focus on me. I wanted to be sure my name was 100% cleared before I go on any "offense".

As stated before, I didn't vote back because not only did I want to leave the game with dignity and redemption, but think about it: Flip-flopping that much when I originally stated that the first time I voted was because of bandwaggoning. That would make anyone look suspicious. :P

I appreciate your openness and unbias in this situation. I think it's more than fair to ask and push these questions in a polite way. I hope I answered them to your satisfaction, but let me know if you need any clarity.

 

 

 



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RCTjunkie said:

 The events went as followed: 

 1.  I came back after a half-day and saw a lot of people voting against me. 

 2. I figured that I wouldn't have enough time to explain my reasons/behavior in enough detail to get people to change their minds and unvote me in time to save me. 

3. I figured that I should at this point reveal my role and let people know the truth and have it confirmed once I'm lynched so the townspeople have something to go off of.

4. Truck began to ask me a couple questions about whom I found suspicious and whom I thought was town.

5. During those questions, combining my lack of hope and realizing my wrongdoing for voting someone for bandwagoning as I saw others do to me, I figured I should leave the game with a clear conscience, so I unvoted.

So basically the order was seeing what had happened, losing hope, revealing my role, getting questioned a little, answering questions/unvoting, confirming (what I thought was) my fate.

I didn't fight because I didn't think the efforts or defense would turn tables at that point (After seeing the voting frenzy after, I now think otherwise).

I gave my info as soon as I could. I didn't see my event/the beginning of day 2 until that discussion was well underway. Giving the info ASAP didn't mean the very first post of day 2, but as soon as I saw it, I knew that I had to let everyone know.

I guess my thing is that theprof00 is taking charge of a lot of discussion. While I commend him for keeping the game going, I'm also curious why so many people seem to accept everything he says rather easily. I didn't press on because a lot of the focus has been on my behavior and everyone would see such accusation as a way to take off focus on me. I wanted to be sure my name was 100% cleared before I go on any "offense".

As stated before, I didn't vote back because not only did I want to leave the game with dignity and redemption, but think about it: Flip-flopping that much when I originally stated that the first time I voted was because of bandwaggoning. That would make anyone look suspicious. :P

I appreciate your openness and unbias in this situation. I think it's more than fair to ask and push these questions in a polite way. I hope I answered them to your satisfaction, but let me know if you need any clarity.

 

 

 


Thanks again for answering and yeah you did answer them to my satisfaction. You cleared some things up. I can understand your stated reasons better now. I don't know if anyone's name can be 100% cleared but I hope my questions and your answers move the bar some for others. Still tho I hope if you think something is fishy or off you at least bring it up like you did with TheProf stating he was protected in the future. Anyone else ping on your radar now? What do you think of Wright and WhiteEagle? Both difficult to read, both with very little activity.



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All Hail the Jester King. The King is back, and I am still a dirty girl prof ;)

RCT do you have any suspicions about me, or just wondering why I'm trusted?

Doesn't really seem like anything I've said has really bothered you, suspicion wise. Unless I've missed something?



OK, I'm back. HOLY SHIT, note to self: missing the first 24 hours of the second day phase is a BAD IDEA. For the record prof, I'm over myself now and only missed yesterday because I was exhausted after work and farm chores. It'll happen from time to time. For now, my mind is utterly blown. It's going to take me some time to process all this.

Having just read what there is so far of day 2, I'm EXTREMELY confused. I've done a lot of research on roles and stuff, but the sheer number of possibilites surrounding RCT is just mindboggling. Indeed, the sheer number of possibilities in general is pretty intense. I'm dropping suspicion on prof for now because multiple factions are now in question, there are a number of much better suspects now, and he's been helpful in finding them. Not putting him as townie, nor am I totally writing off my multi-faction theory, but for now, other things have my attention.

Thoughts on RCT:

I'd like to know what people think is the most likely of the following three possibilities, as well as if I've missed any:

1. He's town. He's telling the truth. Someone tried to kill him, and his beaststone, or laguzstone, or whatever it is, shattered, as FE weapons are known to do when used up. WoW didn't specify whether it broke or was taken, simply saying it disappeared, because he wanted to leave the possibilities open for discussion. It did indeed break. There are either two mafia factions, or a mafia and a serial killer. One good explanation why one of them might have attempted to kill an unkillable townie that was likely to be lynched was because there's a bus driver who doesn't want to reveal himself because it would help the mafia. I don't think it's a vigilante mistaking him for mafia because they wouldn't waste their shot on a bulletproof person.

2. He's town. He's telling the truth. The stone was taken. Either there's only one mafia or the second mafia chose not to kill. Most likely there's now a very powerful mafia member, or a very powerful serial killer (do serial killers ever have other powers? I feel like they should as a one man team). I'm not sure which is worse. The other possibility is that a townie took the power, with the thought that the mafia wouldn't attack RCT because he's either bulletproof or vanilla, and this way, there's also another townie who's bulletproof, thus creating an unlikely to be targeted vanilla townie and a hard to kill not vanilla townie. That last possibility seems too farfetched to be likely, but we can hope.

3. He's mafia. He's telling the truth about his role. He's the mafia equivalent of bulletproof. Someone tried to kill him or take his stone, either way, likely mafia, and likely from another faction. Only way it'd be from the same faction is if they wanted to help him seem like town, but that would sacrifice two roles (or one and a half, sort of, since it would create a vanilla mafia but would recreate the bulletproof role on the ability stealer), so I don't think so. That, or again, a townie might have taken the stone. A vigilante wouldn't waste his shot on a bulletproof person.

4. He's mafia. He's lying. I don't think town would lie. Smeag's logic is pretty good, if you ask me. Either WoW goofed or RCT goofed. That said, I'm not sure this possibility is the case. The only evidence against WoW goofing is that he's WoW and had sure better not goof because he's the mod. On the other hand, RCT doesn't seem to know FE. He wouldn't know the terms "laguz" or "beaststone" unless he either had familiarity with the franchise or it was on his card. He doesn't seem to have familiarity with the franchise. Of course, maybe he heard the terms in passing and remembered them. If he's lying, his card probably says something completely different, and he'd have to make it up on the fly, and either knows the franchise and just slipped on those terms, or doesn't know the franchise and just remember the terms beaststone and laguz from what little he's heard of it. Beaststone is the more recent term from the most recent game, so it's what he'd go to first in this scenario. When pressured, he would more likely remember Laguz than Taguel, because Taguel wasn't a term given much focus in Awakening, whereas Path of Radiance centered largely around the Laguz, and the Laguz characters were probably the most high profile aspect of the game after Ike himself. It's a stretch, but that's the best I can come up with here. I don't think RCT is lying about what his role says, especially after that warning from WoW.

At this point, I'm leaning towards RCT not lying, and am really not sure about whether he's town or mafia. I'm leaning towards him being a townie and that his stone was stolen, as horrible as that possibility sounds. I know prof thinks Sparks stole the stone, but I don't get his logic there and after having just read this I can't be bothered to reread the whole day.

Thoughts on Cone:

This is something I really didn't see coming, as I had Cone down as town doctor for sure, but prof brought up a point I'd never have considered. Bodyguard and Doctor create and unkillable combo that breaks the game. There's no WAY WoW would put them on the same side. Either Cone isn't a doctor, or Cone isn't town. Cone's comments triggered WoW's warning, so I think Cone is a doctor. I'm not voting Cone yet, but mostly because I'm just in shock that there's suddenly a chance that he's not town. Spurge, Wright, and Khan were some of my big suspects simply because they voted for Cone, but spurge is innocent, and now I'm not so sure about Khan or Wright. Perhaps they were right to think he seemed fishy. They were also big suspects for my second mafia theory, so now I just don't know what to think anymore.

Bottom line, it really seems like Cone is a mafia doctor, which I didn't think could be a thing, but I'm too afraid to lynch a town doctor and screw us all to actually vote for Cone.

Also, who did Cone try to save? I missed that.

Thoughts on everyone that participated in the padib experiment:

Padib's power, on a town side, is pretty useless, as it prevents the town from a potentially useful flip and neutralizes the town's one major weapon. However, the way padib used it, by revealing the power and getting people to vote someone else, encourages both town and mafia not to vote for the target, thus not preventing the flip or disabling the town's power, and instead had a very good use: if used correctly and competently to protect a townie from a flip and not a mafia, it could have multiple uses, since the power doesn't expire unless it actually prevents a lynch. So it could be used again and again to stop mafia from teaming up for a mislynch because, and again this assumes padib uses it correctly, both town and mafia benefit from changing their votes here, but if mafia keep teaming up, padib also said he can change the target, so he could block mafia mislynches until the town agreed on something he thought was sensible.

So there's three possibilities I see here:
1. Everyone or mostly everyone in the experiment is mafia that wanted to neutralize his power
2. Everyone involved in the experiment made a horrible decision
3. Everyone wanted to neutralize padib's power because despite it's potential use, they think padib isn't competent enough to make good use of it.

1 and 3 seem equally likely to me, so at this point I don't actively suspect anyone for this, but I also am not putting anyone in this experiment down as town.



EBWOP: When I said three possibilities for RCT, that was before I decided to list a broken and a stolen stone as two separate possibilities.



Another thought: Padib's power, on a mafia side, is horrifically broken, but with the town potentially having a bodyguard, doctor, and a bulletproof vest, perhaps the mafia having a mayor isn't too farfetched? I still think padib is almost certainly town, but I figure I should mention this, so as to leave no stone unturned.