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Sharu said:
the2real4mafol said:
Sharu said:
the2real4mafol said:
Scisca said:
Communism is the only system ever created that's even worse than nazism. That is quite a feat. Just kill it with fire.

Please explain. This has got to be one of the craziest things i've ever heard! 

Its ok, he's Polish.

He could of just said he hated Germans and Russians for what they done to his country lol 

He's doing it. In another thread.

Yeah, I remember reading that in your thread on Russia.



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Leadified said:
Nighthawk117 said:
OK,

LET ME SUMMARIZE MY OPINION IN ALL CAPS, ABOUT "COMMUNISM"

....THERE IS NOBODY IN THE USA OR EUROPE WHO CROSSES THE BORDER TO ENTER A COMMUNIST COUNTRY....

THERE ARE NO AMERICANS BOARDING SHITTY ASS BOATS TO GET TO CUBA....NOR ARE ANY EUROPEAN CITIZENS JUMPING ON A TRAIN HEADED TO RUSSIA !!!!!

CAN SOMEONE ELABORATE TO ME THE PROBLEM OF AMERICANS FLEEING ACROSS THE TEXAS BORDER, HELLBENT ON STARTING A NEW LIFE IN MEXICO ???

IF YOU THINK YOUR LIFE WOULD BE BETTER IN A COMMUNIST COUNTRY, THAN FOR CHRISTSAKES......MOVE THE FUCK OVER THERE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I WONT HOLD YOU BACK, JUST LEAVE NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Russia hasn't been communist for 20 years now and Mexico hasn't been communist, ever.

Yeah, I assume he's not serious, but if he is, he is wrong. I know many people that have wanted to live in (granted all live in Canada, but one does have American citizenship, so I will count that), and I personally wouldn't mind going to Russia. I also really want to go to China (a country that still claims to be communist), and while I wouldn't want to live there permanently, I wouldn't mind staying a year or two there. I have no idea why he is talking about Mexico, though.



Nighthawk117 said:
Well then, Leadified....

Enlighten me...

Is Russia, and Cuba, for that matter....State Capitalist or Communist, in your opinion??

I believe they are communist...So is North Korea....

Moving along.....I believe Brazil and Singapore are autocratic...what say you?

I think, in regards to the Middle East, Syria is communist, Iran is a religious, dictatorship regime. And you say?

Syria is not communist, North Korea removed all references of communism from their constitution and changed it to their juche ideology, Russia is capitalist. Cuba is the only one of those that still claims to be communist.



Nighthawk117 said:
Well then, Leadified....

Enlighten me...

Is Russia, and Cuba, for that matter....State Capitalist or Communist, in your opinion??

I believe they are communist...So is North Korea....

Moving along.....I believe Brazil and Singapore are autocratic...what say you?

I think, in regards to the Middle East, Syria is communist, Iran is a religious, dictatorship regime. And you say?

Your reasoning for Russia being a communist country was because of it's state-lead economic policy. You can have a state capitalist system no matter what type of government you are, except for a communist state. Communism is an entire socio-economic policy, the economic side is called a planned economy, which includes state socialism. Cuba has a planned economy, Russia does not, Russia has a mixed economy. State capitalism is an economic policy which fits just right into a mixed economy system.

There is no private market in a communist, planned economy, so how would Russia be a communist country if it already betrays one section of a communist system? Second of all, socially Russia is anything from a communist society. Russia is more similar to the United States than you think, both are countries are consumerist and capital driven states, money makes the world go round in both Moscow and Washington. 

Cuba for the longest time had absolutely no private market and even today most of that private market is held by personal property. And just lately Cuba annouced you can buy your own house in the country! Can you imagine that type of freedom? And North Korea has went above and beyond with it's system and is offical a Juche countrym it has it's roots as a communist country but no one really knows what it is anymore.

Brazil and Singapore by definition cannot be an autocracy, both countries are recognised to be republics, that kind of contradicts what an autocracy is. Your opinion or belief can be whatever you want, it's a free country. But I don't think you're going to be convincing anyone if your opinion is contradictory.



VGPolyglot said:
Leadified said:
Nighthawk117 said:
OK,

LET ME SUMMARIZE MY OPINION IN ALL CAPS, ABOUT "COMMUNISM"

....THERE IS NOBODY IN THE USA OR EUROPE WHO CROSSES THE BORDER TO ENTER A COMMUNIST COUNTRY....

THERE ARE NO AMERICANS BOARDING SHITTY ASS BOATS TO GET TO CUBA....NOR ARE ANY EUROPEAN CITIZENS JUMPING ON A TRAIN HEADED TO RUSSIA !!!!!

CAN SOMEONE ELABORATE TO ME THE PROBLEM OF AMERICANS FLEEING ACROSS THE TEXAS BORDER, HELLBENT ON STARTING A NEW LIFE IN MEXICO ???

IF YOU THINK YOUR LIFE WOULD BE BETTER IN A COMMUNIST COUNTRY, THAN FOR CHRISTSAKES......MOVE THE FUCK OVER THERE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I WONT HOLD YOU BACK, JUST LEAVE NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Russia hasn't been communist for 20 years now and Mexico hasn't been communist, ever.

Yeah, I assume he's not serious, but if he is, he is wrong. I know many people that have wanted to live in (granted all live in Canada, but one does have American citizenship, so I will count that), and I personally wouldn't mind going to Russia. I also really want to go to China (a country that still claims to be communist), and while I wouldn't want to live there permanently, I wouldn't mind staying a year or two there. I have no idea why he is talking about Mexico, though.

I have family who lived behind the Iron Curtain, in Romania for the entire Cold War and that was a state that offically by itself and internationally was known as a Marxist-Leninist state, for someone to just claim they believe a state is communist is downright ignorant and insulting towards people who had to live in those times, which in Eastern Europe it's still a touchy subject. That era is over, you even go to North Korea now for a trip, nevermind all the post-communist states many which are a part of the Schengen Area.

There are many reasons why someone could choose to live in Russia or China, there's pleantly of job opportunities around the world now and people who have that choice probably live pretty decent lives. English teachers in China are treated pretty well and live pretty decent lives. I'm pretty content with Canada,   the advantage in the West is you have a higher chance of a higher standard living as a whole compared to developing countries, but that doesn't mean the good life only exists here.



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SamuelRSmith said:
Kane1389 said:


That seems more like a social problem, rather than a economic/capitalist problem, no?


Yeah, I never said it was a capitalist problem, I was just answering the question as to whether cities have banned food donations to the homeless.

Not donations, per se, but rather direct dispensing, which is equivalent to responding to panhandling.

As unchristian as the law may sound, there is some sense to it, to help draw the homeless off the streets and towards government/non-profit institutions. The issue, again, is mental illness amongst the homeless who may then be too paranoid to bother.



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Communism means the death and extinction of the human race, the very basic things you have right now, like light or water are brought to you by capitalism.Were humanity "developed" under communism you would be planting your own food, building your own house, and with a life expectancy of 40 years(yeah, do you think medicines or machines build themselves?). Pizza? Never going to happen.



But war... war never changes

This is my problem with Communism and a lot political theory in general. It's something that sounds great on paper but fails in practice. The main problem with Communism is that humans are not conditioned to live in such a society. In a Communist society, as soon as there is corruption, the whole system falls apart. The thing about that is humans by nature are imperfect and corruptible. While humans don't have to be that way, they simply can't be that way in a working Communist system. While Capitalism is not perfect by any means, it is a system that can survive because it allows people to make a choice of being greedy or giving. For example, I can exploit the talents of others and make millions of dollars. After I make that money, I choose to live a life of indulgence, or I can choose to invest that money for the greater good of society. Many will go down the greedy path while a few choose to contribute, but the system itself still prevails either way.

An example of this corruption I was talking can be seen throughout the 20th century. Russia proudly proclaimed itself to be the world's first Communist state only to turn into something that wasn't Marx or Lenin intended. It instead turned into a totalitarian regime where tens of millions of people were murdered in the name of the state. Pol Pot's Cambodia promised that everyone would be truly equal and went as far as to abolish money altogether as a means of getting rid of potential corruption. Instead, the new system there simply punished those who thrived under the old system and like the Soviet Union, murdered millions in the name of the state and the people. Other Communist countries like China and Vietnam moved away from what they originally valued and instead adopted an even more vicious version of Capitalism while still waving the Communist flag. These countries and governments started out with the best of intentions and it didn't work for any of them. Not a single Communist country got it right throughout the 20th century, which is partly why most of them just gave up. I don't think anybody can get it right, unless there's a race of artificial intelligence that rules part of the Earth in the future. They can get it right by simply being programmed to.

While people throw around terms like Capitalism and Communism, I think a lot of people think too much into it. Personally, I believe somebody should be able own their own land, have their own business and should be able to make money for their own gains. However, I also believe that as a homosapien, we are much more capable of simply living and surviving. I don't believe in making money simply to survive. I believe that money can be used to do great things that can contribute to a society on a humanitarian level and a cultural level. However, I also think someone should have the choice of doing this. That is why I think that if you want others to be less greedy and self indulgent, then the best thing to do is to serve as an example. People can be easily be inspired. You won't inspire everyone, but I'm sure that some people will be inspired to be something greater than what they currently are.



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Guys, please, first go and read what a Communism is. Even Wikipedia will be ok.
Communism never existed in real life and it seems never will be.
5 pages of (mostly) utter bullshit from (mostly) uneducated people...



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