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Renzan said:
Kane1389 said:
the2real4mafol said:
Sharu said:
the2real4mafol said:
Scisca said:
Communism is the only system ever created that's even worse than nazism. That is quite a feat. Just kill it with fire.

Please explain. This has got to be one of the craziest things i've ever heard! 

Its ok, he's Polish.

He could of just said he hated Germans and Russians for what they done to his country lol 

Poles (in my general experience) hate other Slavs more than any other group of people. They prefer to be on the side of their western, German overlords


Slavs are divided to a those groups:

- those who know that you can't trust Russia (some do not have choise)

- stupid

- ethnic Russian


and some that have no reason to hate russia, especially since the beef with Russians is actually based on some political ideology that is no longer present in Russia nor was it technically forced by Russia in the first place. You won't find these people in Poland.



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ArnoldRimmer said:
taggartaa said:
The main issue with communism is human drive. What motivates you to go to work every day? What motivates you to do a good job? What motivates you to get a higher education?

The principles behind communism sounds great, everyone deserves equal treatment. Janitors are just as important as doctors to have a functioning society, so why pay them differently? However it is easy to see right where this breaks down, who is going to go through 8 years of med school so they can work long hours every day while being oncall all the time when they can just get a job right out of high school that pays exactly the same with the exact same benifits?

The greater good of your overall society is (sadly) not enough of a motivator for most people, and thus communism breaks down.

The reason capitolism works (better than any other system tried on a scaleable population in my opinion) is that it supposes that a person is naturally greedy/competative. People naturally want to get ahead of eachother and capitalism rewards that behavior.

And yet, for some reason, Cuba - which is clearly the most communistic country that still exists, even if it's not a true communism either - has about the highest percentage of doctors in the whole world, being only slightly beaten by Monaco and Qatar, two of the richest countries of the world. Despite their doctors being paid just about 15$ per month, pretty much like everyone else. How do explain that, when it seems to clearly contradict your argument?

I think that one of the things you ignore is that a higher salary isn't the only benefit that counts for people when choosing a profession. Doctors are often about the most-respected people in society. This probably also has an effect on women - cuban woman will probably also tend to prefer doctors over janitors. And when you're forced to do your job for several decades, there's also other things that will make one job seem more attractive than other jobs. Many people will probably consider a janitor job more boring, and doctors will probably tend to feel their work being valued more. And so on...

And studying in Cuba is free (just like health care, school etc.), so it's simply not like in some other countries, where becoming a doctor can be so extremely expensive that it only makes sense if you're earning a lot afterwards.

 

But anyway, where does communism even necessarily require everyone to earn absolutely the same? I've so often heard that argument, but I've never heard why. I mean, even if "who would become a doctor if he could become a janitor instead and earn the same?" really was an eternal fact, one could easily think of a compromise: Make the best-earning job earn, say, twice as much as the lowest-paying job. That should already drive people's motivation. The exact ratio is totally up to debate, of course, I'm just trying to point out that it would be easy to counter certain problems that communism is said to have by making small compromises.

 

Btw, I doubt that some of the conclusions you make about the "human nature" are actually as clear as you believe. A while ago, some scientists published a very interesting paper called "The weirdest people in the world". They came to the conclusion that findings in psychology are usually based on experiments with only western participants, simply believing that they are sufficiently representative of the whole world. But when some people actually made certain game theory experiments (which are about the most interesting psychological tests there are) all around the world, they were surprised that contrary to what they expected, people in other regions of the world would sometimes behave completely different than what they expected from the results of earlier tests.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/03/01/we-are-the-weird/

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/files/2013/03/Weird_People_BBS_final02.pdf


Do you know if they can choose to go to med school?



But war... war never changes

Sharu said:
the2real4mafol said:
Sharu said:
the2real4mafol said:
Scisca said:
Communism is the only system ever created that's even worse than nazism. That is quite a feat. Just kill it with fire.

Please explain. This has got to be one of the craziest things i've ever heard! 

Its ok, he's Polish.

He could of just said he hated Germans and Russians for what they done to his country lol 

He's doing it. In another thread.


No I don't. I have nothing against Germans. Just hate and despise you, but you more than deserve it.



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Scisca said:
Sharu said:
the2real4mafol said:
Sharu said:
the2real4mafol said:
Scisca said:
Communism is the only system ever created that's even worse than nazism. That is quite a feat. Just kill it with fire.

Please explain. This has got to be one of the craziest things i've ever heard! 

Its ok, he's Polish.

He could of just said he hated Germans and Russians for what they done to his country lol 

He's doing it. In another thread.


No I don't. I have nothing against Germans. Just hate and despise you, but you more than deserve it.

Better go buy and eat some apples, man! Your country needs you!



Kane1389 said:
Renzan said:
Kane1389 said:
the2real4mafol said:
Sharu said:
the2real4mafol said:
Scisca said:
Communism is the only system ever created that's even worse than nazism. That is quite a feat. Just kill it with fire.

Please explain. This has got to be one of the craziest things i've ever heard! 

Its ok, he's Polish.

He could of just said he hated Germans and Russians for what they done to his country lol 

Poles (in my general experience) hate other Slavs more than any other group of people. They prefer to be on the side of their western, German overlords


Slavs are divided to a those groups:

- those who know that you can't trust Russia (some do not have choise)

- stupid

- ethnic Russian


and some that have no reason to hate russia, especially since the beef with Russians is actually based on some political ideology that is no longer present in Russia nor was it technically forced by Russia in the first place. You won't find these people in Poland.


You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Just one example? A few years ago Putin decided to change the celebrations of October Revolution (the most important holiday in USRR) into the celebrations of liberating Moscow from the Polish reign. In the speach during the celebrations the Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church said that this event is on par with the victory over the Germans in the II WW (kinda flattering if you think about it). People were used to massive celebrations on that day, so why not turn it into an anti-Polish celebration? Awesome idea! After all, who cares about some stupid revolution at this point - it serves no purpose in the current Russian propaganda, so screw it. Better fuel that anti-Polish hatred!

This is just one small things, but trust me - such examples are endless. Unfortunately you are totally ignorant here, so shouldn't be passing judgments in the matter. Russia leads an intentional and consciously anti-Polish policy. And it's not some long gone ideology or whatever, it's their current policy. The current Polish government (in power for 7 years) used to be the most pro-Russian party in Poland, the fact that the previous one was anti-Russian was one of the more important issues in the elections. Over the last years they were doing their uttmost to improve the relationship, were bending over in front of Putin at every step and doing whatever possible to please him, hugging him when they met, etc. The result? There isn't a single pro-Russian party in Poland at this point. Even these idiots realised, that the source of bad will is in Moscow and no matter what we do, we can't change a thing. Now they have some serious backtracking to do, cause people have realised that they were foolish to trust their vision of Eastern policy and that pro-Russian policy is haunting them now and will haunt them for years to come.

All in all, the fact that we have very positive relations with Germany is ultimate proof that the fault isn't on our side, but it's those savage, primitive psychopaths, who only recently murdered 300 innocent people on a plane... Maybe you've heard about it?

@ Your statement that Poles hate all other Slavs... Seriously, you are ignorant to the point of being stupid. This is so ridiculous, that I even won't elaborate, you should just excuse for that brainfart.



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My view on Communism is the same as on Anarchy.

They are both great systems that mankind is not ready for and probably never will be.



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

Scisca said:
Sharu said:
the2real4mafol said:
Sharu said:
the2real4mafol said:
Scisca said:
Communism is the only system ever created that's even worse than nazism. That is quite a feat. Just kill it with fire.

Please explain. This has got to be one of the craziest things i've ever heard! 

Its ok, he's Polish.

He could of just said he hated Germans and Russians for what they done to his country lol 

He's doing it. In another thread.


No I don't. I have nothing against Germans. Just hate and despise you, but you more than deserve it.

Hating an entire race is always dangerous. Nothing good comes from it. I can get if you hate Stalin, Putin and some other people, but why do you hate 140 million people because of maybe around 100 people? Most Russians have done nothing wrong to your country. I hope that someday your racist attitude towards Russians will be over.



bouzane said:


The USSR had more doctors per capita than any capitalist nation. This is because the tuition that medical students have to pay is a far bigger barrier than being "poorly" compensated for their contribution to society. Why do we just take random guesses as to why "communist" states fail?

(Note: Bouzane's last sentence bolded by myself.)

Guys and girls of the VG Chartz forums, 

Allow me to summarize my opinion on why Communist/Socialist/Fascist/Totalitarian/Government Led Economies fail sooner than later....

These economic & political systems ultimately fail because of: human nature.  HUMANS, BY NATURE, LUST FOR LIBERTY AND FREEDOM.

NOBODY WANTS TO BE A SLAVE TO ANY GOVERNMENT, POLITICAL IDEOLOGY, OR SOME LEADER WITH ABSOLUTE POWER, OR ANY LEGISLATURE THAT IS MERELY FOR SHOW...



You guys forget the Soviets? The Communists are here to destroy freedom in this world!



Nighthawk117 said:
bouzane said:


The USSR had more doctors per capita than any capitalist nation. This is because the tuition that medical students have to pay is a far bigger barrier than being "poorly" compensated for their contribution to society. Why do we just take random guesses as to why "communist" states fail?

(Note: Bouzane's last sentence bolded by myself.)

Guys and girls of the VG Chartz forums, 

Allow me to summarize my opinion on why Communist/Socialist/Fascist/Totalitarian/Government Led Economies fail sooner than later....

These economic & political systems ultimately fail because of: human nature.  HUMANS, BY NATURE, LUST FOR LIBERTY AND FREEDOM.

NOBODY WANTS TO BE A SLAVE TO ANY GOVERNMENT, POLITICAL IDEOLOGY, OR SOME LEADER WITH ABSOLUTE POWER, OR ANY LEGISLATURE THAT IS MERELY FOR SHOW...

A true communist country would have no government, and therefore no leader or legislature.