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Is this surprising?

no 386 81.95%
 
hell yeah 85 18.05%
 
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jlmurph2 said:
Aielyn said:
jlmurph2 said:
So since you're naming mulitplats should he just rebuttal with the shit ton of multiplats coming for Xbox One this fall? And then add Forza Horizon 2, Sunset Overdrive, Halo Master Chief Collection, Killer Instinct Season 2, Ori, Project Spark and the games that have exclusive content on Xbox One?

Please don't jump into a discussion without knowing what the discussion is about. If you want to make a comment, have a look back at what the discussion was actually about.


The discussion was about MS launching in more countries early september and you brought up random games in which only one is a system seller.

Wrong. The discussion was about using the fact that MS was launching in more countries in early september as the main reason why Xbox One would be selling stronger than Wii U again. I demonstrated that it's a weak argument because the new countries aren't going to make much difference, and Wii U is likely to get a boost around the same time from the start of its Holiday lineup after having nothing of even slight note since Mario Kart 8. I said each time that there are legitimate arguments for why Xbox One might start selling more strongly than Wii U again, but that the release of XBO in places like Israel and Japan wasn't one of them.

Hence why I suggested you actually look back over the discussion. You jumped in and assumed it was a debate over which system was going to sell better, and it wasn't.



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I think it SHOULD STAY like that.



Aielyn said:
jlmurph2 said:
Aielyn said:

Please don't jump into a discussion without knowing what the discussion is about. If you want to make a comment, have a look back at what the discussion was actually about.


The discussion was about MS launching in more countries early september and you brought up random games in which only one is a system seller.

Wrong. The discussion was about using the fact that MS was launching in more countries in early september as the main reason why Xbox One would be selling stronger than Wii U again. I demonstrated that it's a weak argument because the new countries aren't going to make much difference, and Wii U is likely to get a boost around the same time from the start of its Holiday lineup after having nothing of even slight note since Mario Kart 8. I said each time that there are legitimate arguments for why Xbox One might start selling more strongly than Wii U again, but that the release of XBO in places like Israel and Japan wasn't one of them.

Hence why I suggested you actually look back over the discussion. You jumped in and assumed it was a debate over which system was going to sell better, and it wasn't.


Which is why I'm backing him up by saying Xbox One also has a Holiday lineup boost coming. As of right now we have no idea if the Wii U is still selling above Xbox One because VGChartz goes by estimates and being only 2k ahead this week doesn't show any proof. Xbox One launching in 29 more countries is definite to sell above the Wii U. It seems like ever since MK8 launched you Nintendo fans seem to have forgotten the 7 months before it where Xbox One comfortably outsold Wii U. Xbox One has a ton of games coming this fall, so your "Holiday lineup" argument has no purpose when he's talking about Xbox One's WW launch. And if you think Hyrule Warriors' August release will have a long enough boost to prevent Xbox One from topping Wii U in September then you have another thing coming.



jlmurph2 said:
Which is why I'm backing him up by saying Xbox One also has a Holiday lineup boost coming.

You're not backing him up by saying that. You're backing ME up, but you think you're backing him up.

If you want to get into the discussion of what will have which effect, then we can do that. Hyrule Warriors is releasing in August in Japan... and Famitsu's "most wanted games" chart has that game in 4th position - putting it ahead of Kingdom Hearts 3, Pokemon Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire, and on votes, just a tiny bit behind Final Fantasy XV. Stop and think about that. Hyrule Warriors is more wanted than Pokemon or Kingdom Hearts, and almost as anticipated as Final Fantasy.

As for the west... have you seen how much hype the game is gathering? People who had dismissed it as just Dynasty Warriors with a Zelda skin are now excited for the title. People assumed it would only appeal to the Musou fans, but it's actually appealing strongly to Zelda fans, in a way that few titles before have done. It's a Zelda title that isn't suffering from the Zelda Cycle, basically.

You can argue "system seller" all you want, but every one of the games (except Captain Toad, arguably) fills a gap in the Wii U's lineup. That means they increase the apparent value of the system, and thus help to improve sales. System sellers are games that people will buy a system for on their own, but lots of non-system-seller games can drive sales by pushing the apparent value above the price (for a particular person). Zelda fans who would buy a Wii U for the new main Zelda title may choose to buy for Hyrule Warriors because they know they can also get Zelda U when it comes. Kind of like how quite a few people went out and bought a Wii U after E3, not so much because of games already released, but because of the combination of known coming games and released games that they figured they could play in the meantime.

I'm quite confident in saying that the benefit to Wii U of their holiday lineup will be much greater than the benefit to the Xbox One from release in the next batch of countries (barring the week of launch itself, where there will be a launch boost of some scale). This does not mean that Wii U will necessarily remain ahead of Xbox One, in part because the Xbox One also has games that will be released. Any effect that release in Russia, etc, has is going to be drowned out by things like game releases, the holiday sales season, advertising/promotions, etc - on both sides.

Arguing that Xbox One will end up ahead of Wii U because of the release in Israel is like asserting that one cyclist will beat another cyclist because they bought a new helmet - sure, it might make a very small difference, but there are much more important factors, and arguing from the helmet angle makes it sound like there's nothing about the actual cyclists that will matter, when they're the most important part.



WiiU>X1. Just get over it people.



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Upcoming games like Bayonetta 1+2, Hyrule Warriors, Captain Toad, Watch Dogs and of course Smash Bros will secure Wii Us second place.

The Wii U will probably be the best selling console this holiday.



z101 said:
Upcoming games like Bayonetta 1+2, Hyrule Warriors, Captain Toad, Watch Dogs and of course Smash Bros will secure Wii Us second place.

The Wii U will probably be the best selling console this holiday.

Not even remotely.



meanwhile ps4 owners are fat on all the popcorn theyve eaten.



z101 said:
Upcoming games like Bayonetta 1+2, Hyrule Warriors, Captain Toad, Watch Dogs and of course Smash Bros will secure Wii Us second place.

The Wii U will probably be the best selling console this holiday.

Eh, I don't think that will happen.. I do think the WiiU has a chance at 2nd place this holiday season if Nintendo doesn't fuck up with the marketing, bundles, promotions and such!



                
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