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At the current rate it will sell around 500k every month, or 6 million a year, plus 2 million every holiday, so, 8 million a year.
So, I guess it will get to 64 million or so in 8 years, when it will be dropped for good.

Of course, Sony can go into bankruptcy in 2 or 3 years, so, in that case, 20 or 30 million, and a lot of sad gamers.=/



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goulibouli said:
It's probable they'll sell 100 millions.

The reason is simply because there's no competitors: people seem to be definitely rooting for the PS4 even in the US, and nobody cares about the Wii U (which is not even competing), and developers will follow, so more people will buy it.

They sold 100 millions Playstation and 150 millions PS2 without competition, and 80 millions even with competition of both Xbox 360 at 80 millions too and Wii at 100 millions.

Why wouldn't they?


I agree that currently PS4 is on a trajectory to 100 million.  However, I disagree with you regarding the lack of competition.

Lots can change in the next 4-5 years

The big wildcard would be another company joining the video game console market.  In about 3-4 years, another company can put out video game console at a good price point of $399 with much better specs and likely be able to play 1080p 60 fps with bells and whistles for all games (maybe powered by a maxwell GPU).  Maybe a company like Apple, Amazon decides to put out a console for the core video games with a GPU similar to current 770 or 780 for about $399 in year 2016.  Maybe another Ouya console but made for the hardcore gamers.  What if Samsung decides to make a Galaxy video game console.  Hell, Nintendo can put out another console with better GPU/CPU at the same price point in few years.  There are too many things unknown to make these type of predictions.....




Dusk said:
chapset said:
Dusk said:
 

What makes you think that? Why would it peak then? The PS3 was a very different beast than the PS4 and there are no similarities in the release structure. 

What how was the ps3 so different to the ps4? They are both powerfull hardware at launch, both will sale mostly due to third party support, Sony already said they will support the ps4 for at least 10 years just like the ps2 and ps3 why would the sale patern of the ps4 be different lol. The ps3 will end up probably around 90million, for the same time period the ps4 outsold the ps3 by more then 4million ( the ps3 was at around 4mill at this point of it life) with how weak the competition is this gen I have no doubt the ps4 will increase it lead over the ps3 by 6million when it's said and done putting itat  more than 100 million lifetime. Using the slowest part of the year when the console didn't have any note worthy release for a long time to say it won't reach 100 million is pretty dumb if you ask me.
 edit: also the 360 peaked in it's 6th year. The ps4 will have a very similar sale patern to those 2 console not to the wii


Ummm k. I think you missed my point. The PS3 did not sell well when it entered the market. The PS4 has so far. The PS3 had loads of support. The PS4 has some support. I say "some" because there aren't as many games coming out for it as there was for the PS3 in comparison although it does have some high quality games. All the systems are suffering from this, not just the PS4. The development cycles are longer but the same games are being pushed out more regularly so there is less incentive for someone to purchase a new system for it just to play the "new" iteration of whatever "new" game it is in the franchise. I'm talking about IP fatigue. Look at COD for instance. Or AC. Or the 2D mario games recently. But my point is that a console needs games to sell, and if there are less games, unless they have ultra mass appeal, less will sell. This is of course my theory. 

Every console will have slow times, there is no denying that, but hasn't anybody noticed that the droughts are longer and more common?

I find it funny that so many people have a problem with my reasoning though. Maybe I'm entirely out to lunch, but what if I'm right?

bold: not true at all lol, did you even look at the ps3 release schedule back in 2007? it wasn't getting any more games than the ps4 and even worse it was getting the gimped versions ( the x360 version were running and looking better) unlike the ps4.The droughts are longer and more common? how? the ps4 is 8 months old. I'm starting to think you didn't even check the sales at comparative lifetime of each console before making this assumption. And it's not like cross-gen games will be offered all gen. Plus like you said developement times are longer and games are more expensive to make wich is why I think this gen will last just as long or even longer than the previous one because developers will try to maximise the amount of money they can get from their franchises. I mean the ps4 is doing everything better than the ps3 it's already 4million ahead for the same period, it's facing weaker competition, it's priced way better, it's the console to get if you want the better version of third party games yet somehow it won't reach 100million while the ps3 will do 90 million easy, what kind of logic is that? The only thing I could see stoping it from reaching that is if Sony just close the playstation platform due to lack of money.



Bet reminder: I bet with Tboned51 that Splatoon won't reach the 1 million shipped mark by the end of 2015. I win if he loses and I lose if I lost.

WagnerPaiva said:

At the current rate it will sell around 500k every month, or 6 million a year, plus 2 million every holiday, so, 8 million a year.
So, I guess it will get to 64 million or so in 8 years, when it will be dropped for good.

Of course, Sony can go into bankruptcy in 2 or 3 years, so, in that case, 20 or 30 million, and a lot of sad gamers.=/

Wow, someone following my train of thought. And I thought I was the only one lol



Gotta figure out how to set these up lol.

Pretty sure it will, because that magical $199 will happen faster than it did/will do with PS3.



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WagnerPaiva said:

At the current rate it will sell around 500k every month, or 6 million a year, plus 2 million every holiday, so, 8 million a year.
So, I guess it will get to 64 million or so in 8 years, when it will be dropped for good.

Of course, Sony can go into bankruptcy in 2 or 3 years, so, in that case, 20 or 30 million, and a lot of sad gamers.=/


So, the PS4 already sold 14% of its LTD sales?



Dusk said:
WagnerPaiva said:

At the current rate it will sell around 500k every month, or 6 million a year, plus 2 million every holiday, so, 8 million a year.
So, I guess it will get to 64 million or so in 8 years, when it will be dropped for good.

Of course, Sony can go into bankruptcy in 2 or 3 years, so, in that case, 20 or 30 million, and a lot of sad gamers.=/

Wow, someone following my train of thought. And I thought I was the only one lol


And you are both wrong, PS4 is on its way to sell 14 million in its first year "with no gaemz", big releases are coming in 2105 and on, plus price cuts, VR tech (could work or could be shit who knows).

It seems like you want the PS4 to fail. It won't.



The biggest reason I don't expect PS4 to go past 100 million is it's software library.

With all titles less than AAA being given the digital treatment It's going to lose much awareness about it's library as well as the appearance of variety in said library.

larger 3rd party titles appeal is rather narrow. As in almost everything is targeted at the core gamer. Even NPD will tell you there are only 32 million of them. Combine the sales of PS4/X1 and and we have about half of them. Beyond them I just don't see whom 99% of these games are supposed to appeal to.

Tablets and phones are already good enough for mainstream consumers and offer more flexibility in use for the same and less price than PS4 even when it's finally at 299. Those platforms will have more exclusives too. Soon 3rd parties will abandon even home consoles to mobile because less costly risks with better possible payoffs.

So in short. More software will be needed than I believe Sony and 3rd parties can provide due to how long it takes to make new AAA games. They also need software for people whom aren't core gamers which Sony nor 3rd parties are motivated to provide. They also need mid sized titles at retail to appeal to more consumers. We know Sony isn't going to be making those and I doubt most 3rd parties want mid sized titles more so blockbusters so I don't know where that will come from.



Wazowski said:

People wants so much something to fail that completely fails (itself) to see the big picture-.-

so this generation is going to last just 4 years?
may be, but is that a fact?

the PS4 shows signs of weaking?

is the competition doing great that there is no space to even think about buying PS4?

did all the AAA titles and exclusives already came out and failed?

did the new gen already been announced?

is the end of the world near? 


- the awnser is NO in all my question (dont know about the last one but by TRENDS is not likely)
... so yeah there is a very good chance PS4 do much more than 100m


Is the PS4 weakening..... yeah it is. Look at the numbers, less than 100k. Selling like a typical system that hit less than 100m.  Yeah I know you are going to tell me that "oh but it is summer" When that arguement is more a blind excuse arguement. Consoles that sell 100m in their lifetime, don't just drop below 100k a week within 7 or so months of it's lifetime even if it is the summer time. Over all really, it is that consoles in general are weakening. We are not going to see a console hit 100m this gen at all whether it be a handheld or home console. People are not buying them like they used to. This is probably due to the fact that there are so many other platforms out there now that all cam up during the last generation. Yeah we had a huge surge of people buy the PS4, same thing happened with the Xbox at it's launch only the PS4 held on to it's momentum a lot longer. Now ofcourse, it is possible for it to skyrocket back up and yeah, maybe it will hit 100m just like what the DS did but... I don't see that happening easily.

I am more willing to bet that the majority of those people that bought the PS4 and Xbox one are people who upgrade from their previous preferred system unlike what sony is saying how people are buying them instead. The fact that they based that on how there are new PS+ accounts isn't a good way of doing it as you never needed a PS+ account with the PS3. Yeah some will be new, but not the sheer amount that they claim. They are more just trying to make it sound like no one wants anything except the PS4 but by now, that is obviously not the case going by the sales as the sales are... back to what you'd normally see a console sell.

As for AAA titles... it is not that they fail, it is that they are becoming less and less common as they cost so much to make and a lot of time, or they are just rushed to give you pretty much the same game with recycled stuff to keep the cost down. In return, they just release DLC after DLC.

Another thing, It is not certain how long this gen will last but at the same time, technology is increasing at a rapid rate, faster than what it did at the start of last gen and with the rapid technology, it is possible that this gen could be done in 5 or 6 years (though it still could be longer) just so that the companies will not fall behind. If one of them moves ahead, it will kind of force the others to.



nitekrawler1285 said:
The biggest reason I don't expect PS4 to go past 100 million is it's software library.

With all titles less than AAA being given the digital treatment It's going to lose much awareness about it's library as well as the appearance of variety in said library.

larger 3rd party titles appeal is rather narrow. As in almost everything is targeted at the core gamer. Even NPD will tell you there are only 32 million of them. Combine the sales of PS4/X1 and and we have about half of them. Beyond them I just don't see whom 99% of these games are supposed to appeal to.

Tablets and phones are already good enough for mainstream consumers and offer more flexibility in use for the same and less price than PS4 even when it's finally at 299. Those platforms will have more exclusives too. Soon 3rd parties will abandon even home consoles to mobile because less costly risks with better possible payoffs.

So in short. More software will be needed than I believe Sony and 3rd parties can provide due to how long it takes to make new AAA games. They also need software for people whom aren't core gamers which Sony nor 3rd parties are motivated to provide. They also need mid sized titles at retail to appeal to more consumers. We know Sony isn't going to be making those and I doubt most 3rd parties want mid sized titles more so blockbusters so I don't know where that will come from.

It seems like you know everything, like how only "core games" will be released from here on and how all AAA games will take more years to develop than before even more than when devs took the transition to HD gaming. Mobile gaming has never been a treat to home consoles and won't steal any exclusive, are you expecting GTA or Mortal Kombat exclusive on cell phones? how about FIFA 15?

Sony always delivers on games, is like 2007 all over again.