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Forums - Sales Discussion - June 2014 NPD Thread! PS4: 269k, XBO: 197k, Wii U: 140k

GribbleGrunger said:
RubberWhistleHistle said:
GribbleGrunger said:
RubberWhistleHistle said:
well i guess the thead i made about xbone+wii u closing the gap still holds true.

everybody said, "i cant wait for npd, ps4 will have 50%+ and ill bump this thread and laugh at rubberwhistlehistle for his moronic claim that ps4 is declining while xbone and wii u are inclining derp."

guess my thread wont get bumped. maybe ill just bump it myself.

What are you tallking about? The gap just widened yet again.


no it didnt

Sorry, I've just realised, you're talking about the gap in monthly sales and I'm talking about the 'overall' gap which has increased by 73,000.

yeah, thank you for realizing that because a lot of people have a hard time comprehending that.



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Guys at least three mods have posted in this thread, one recently, saying to keep it civil.

I've just handed another person a hefty ban.

Just be polite, it isn't hard.



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BeElite said:
RubberWhistleHistle said:


you made me lol three times in a row. good job.


I cant even say that about you, i just roll my eyes at the foolishness, seriosuly you are one of the worst posters on here.  all just emotions and feelings and wishes and hopes.

You make no intelligent rubuttal to anything and add nothing to the discussion.  No logic or common sense nor reasoning ability.

but you like you know type like lol a lot lol kool, lol.

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just so you know, i did not hit that report button.

i find it ironic that everything you are accusing me of doing is what you did. i at least responded to your points. it was you who got emotional and added nothing to the discussion. i apologize for thinking nintendo has something other than a bleak future with the wii u.



fatslob-:O said:
Smear-Gel said:

Your very first comment to me was putting the blame for the inscessant ps4 vs wii u threads SOLELY on Nintendo fans. Most of your responses are about trying to say Sony fans rarely engage in argumentative behaviour, but Nintendo fans are all over acting that way. All my replies are based on saying that's not the case.  Your comments are the ones exaggerating.

I have not once said Nintendo fans dont act just as silly, because they do. All the fanbases do. I do have an opinion on which fanbase is most annoying but that has nothing to do with this at all.

And while the "show me or you're wrong!" argument is silly because no-one keeps a mental log of everything they do on this site just to reply to comments like this, I do remember someone being certain the Wii U would do sub 10K in Japan a specific week and he was wrong and still found some way to insult nintendo fans for being right that it didnt.

I think your actually confused here ... 

This was about whether or not PS fans sparked a PS4 vs WII U war but based on what I've seen on vgchartz those PS fans are more interested in a PS4 vs X1 fights so how exactly are you NOT over exaggerating an issue ? I'm not saying that Sony fans don't engage in arguments but I'm asking exactly where the passive aggression is being made between the PS4 or WII U. I didn't say that it was solely on Nintendo fans who caused it. What I said was that most PS fans have moved on which is entirely different to what your insinuating. 

That is the only way to do it ... You either show up some evidence or you don't have a case and based off what I've seen recently the PS fans aren't the ones mass dooming the WII U compared to the X1. If anything their quiet about it looking at this thread. 

Yes I get that there has being a lot of fighting between Sony and Nintendo fans these past few days due to TLOU remastered or some other crap but show me sufficient evidence where either Nintendo or PS fans are sparking a PS4 VS WII U argument ... 

Just because some hypothetical PS fans that you think of go on about possibly trolling the WII U does not mean that it will devolve into some console war rather than a bunch of insults. 

 

You havent showed me any evidence yourself, much less sufficient evidence. Why is it not an issue that I beleive you? Should I not then?

 

Hypothetical AND possibly? Cant get much more dismissive than that. I've seen these people all the time. Heck, just tonight people were being happy that Patcher's Wii U prediction was wrong and someone used that opportunity to insult the Wii U or whatever. And when exactly does it stop being "a few insults" and starts being a "console war?"



RubberWhistleHistle said:
Intrinsic said:
RubberWhistleHistle said:

  1. ok, i see more of the reason why youre saying its unrealistic. you have not explained what you meant by that at all yet, so i was left guessing.im talking about a relative decline. marketshare is all relative, so it doesnt matter if summer is a slow period for console sales.
  2.  so im not really sure that has anything to do with it. reasons for the increase in wii u and xbone are obvious, and the decline for ps4 is obvious too.. ps4 has done virtually nothing, as most people have pointed out, while ms and ninty made moves.
  3.  are junes numbers indicative for the rest of the year? thats the question here. im willing to be they are. 
  4. we all know mario kart and many other nintendo games have been titles with huge legs. this is going to sustain sales.
  5.  also keep in mind that a HUGE amount of people are waiting for the wii u. people dont want to pay 300 dollars for this machine, but they want one.
  6.  im not sure the same can be said for ps4. very rarely do you hear about people waiting it out to buy one. xbox one, im willing to bet this price cut and master chief collection are going to keep sales at a point that, when combined with wii u, will be more than ps4.
  7.  sony will get a huge boost from destiny while nobody else benefits from that, we all know this. will that plus anything else they have keep them above 50% marketshare? im not certain, but i am willing to bet that no, its not; there's too much good shit on the other side for me to see this happening.

There is so much wrong with what you have said here that I don't know where to begin.

You are right with one thing though, market share is a relative thing. But everything else you have said after that, is just flat out wrong. Especially that HUGE amount of people waiting for the wiiU bit. Makes everything you say come off as fanatical at best.

thats what i have gathered from my experience. people dont want to pay 300 dollars for a wii u. id say a 50 dollar price cut for wii u would do more for their sales (percentage wise) than a 50 dollar price cut for ps4. of course this is just a guess, based off experience. people dont mind a 400 dollar price tag for ps4. they do mind a 300 dollar price tag for wii u. i think thats just the way it is.

ok, I'll bite. Though its hard to believe that you are really only talking about market share here.

  1. No argument here.
  2. Ok, PS4 has done nothing, compared to what exactly? What has nintendo done? Release games? What about MS, release games and come to price parity with PS4? Well, first off they are all game consoles and you will be surprised that releasing games is what they should all actually be doing. It will also surprise you to find out that on the PS4 alone, more games have been released and sold in the 7 months it has been on the market than the entire 20 months the wiiU has been on the market. Shocking right? 
  3. Silly bet really. But hey... thats your opinion. Guess we will see.
  4. You seem to be mixing up legs and what it mains to sustain sales. Legs basically means that whenever a new batch of people buy a console, they would most likely pick up that particular game. It doesn't mean that that particular game will make people buy the console. Thats a sales boost. And the reason nintendo games have legs, is cause all nintendo has are nintendo games. So anyone that buys a wiiU, has very little to pick from and will naturally just go and buy the only games available for it, which are nintendo games. The only thing capable of sustaining sales is a price drop, cause that affects every single person still on the fence and would increase the monthly baseline sales of the platform.
  5. Who are these huge amount of people you speak of? More so, who are these huge amount of people that will only uy it for $50 less? This is wishful thinking at best.
  6. So lets see, in 7 months a $400 console (while doing nothing as you so nicely pointed out) has sold around 8.5M consoles as opposed to a $300 console that has been out for 20 months and sold 6.5M. Common sense should tell you which of these two consoles are in higher demand or translation; wanted more. But somehow, you feel that $50 is the tipping point and why the wiiU is not selling as well as it should? What proof besides your whim do you have to back that claim?
  7. Its not just destiny though, the PS4 has become the multiplat console of choice this gen. That is why all multiplats sell the most on the PS4. Again, just look at NPD stats for proof of that. So that means that CoD and AC will all sell better on the PS4. That means that people looking to buy a new console this year for those games will most likely get a PS4. Especially riding off the destiny momentum. In addition to this sony does have some exclusives coming out around that time too. You may find this hard to believe, but the PS4 will be under more christmas trees than any other console this year. Momentum and word of mouth kinda does that for sales.


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Marvelous, Sony despite being out marketed, despite having been matched price wise, with Microsoft's little price cut, they are dominating Microsoft's turf month by month......



 

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RubberWhistleHistle said:

yeah, thank you for realizing that because a lot of people have a hard time comprehending that.

 

Soooo, just to make sure... when you were saying 'Nintendomination' earlier, you were just kidding, right? Or, maybe talking only about Japan?

I mean, I ask pretty much solely because we DID go through a big ol' thread where you explained, albeit a bit unclearly, why you felt that Sony would not be able to dominate this generation, expressing 'domination' as meaning a fifty-percent grip on the market. And, for the record, I agree, I think expecting any of the console holders to hold a fifty-percent or higher market share is unrealistic at the moment, as we've yet to see recent numbers to support it.

That being said, those exact same reasons mean that Nintendo isn't likely to dominate this generation either, except perhaps for Japan, assuming Sony doesn't find a way to get s'more interest drummed up in its console. Globally speaking, just like Sony, it would have to sell more than the Xbox One and Playstation 4 combined.

I mean, don't get me wrong, 'Return of the King' was getting on MY

nerves and I'm mostly a Playstation gamer, but Nintendomination just sounds like Same Thing, Different Company. o.O

 

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Guys at least three mods have posted in this thread, one recently, saying to keep it civil.

I've just handed another person a hefty ban.

Just be polite, it isn't hard.


I'll just refer to your sig quote. :)

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Smear-Gel said:

You havent showed me any evidence yourself, much less sufficient evidence. Why is it not an issue that I beleive you? Should I not then?

Hypothetical AND possibly? Cant get much more dismissive than that. I've seen these people all the time. Heck, just tonight people were being happy that Patcher's Wii U prediction was wrong and someone used that opportunity to insult the Wii U or whatever. And when exactly does it stop being "a few insults" and starts being a "console war?"

The burden of proof is on you man ... Your the one making a claim here and you can go check out the hot threads section just to see for yourself if you actually think it's frequent to see a Sony fan stirring up a PS4 vs WII U debate. 

Claiming otherwise would mean that your lying. 

If you mean this thread there's still no comment that would stir up a PS4 vs WII U dispute directly. Xenogears1234 post was just meant to completely downplay the WII U rather going completely off topic than starting an arguement about PS4 vs WII U. If you can't handle these types of comments then it's clear the your getting overly sensitive from a criticism.

You came up empty handed overall ... You don't get it. Downplaying is completely different than starting a console war



fatslob-:O said:
Smear-Gel said:

You havent showed me any evidence yourself, much less sufficient evidence. Why is it not an issue that I beleive you? Should I not then?

Hypothetical AND possibly? Cant get much more dismissive than that. I've seen these people all the time. Heck, just tonight people were being happy that Patcher's Wii U prediction was wrong and someone used that opportunity to insult the Wii U or whatever. And when exactly does it stop being "a few insults" and starts being a "console war?"

The burden of proof is on you man ... Your the one making a claim here and you can go check out the hot threads section just to see for yourself if you actually think it's frequent to see a Sony fan stirring up a PS4 vs WII U debate. 

Claiming otherwise would mean that your lying. 

If you mean this thread there's still no comment that would stir up a PS4 vs WII U dispute directly. Xenogears1234 post was just meant to completely downplay the WII U rather going completely off topic than starting an arguement about PS4 vs WII U. If you can't handle these types of comments then it's clear the your getting overly sensitive from a criticism.

You came up empty handed overall ... You don't get it. Downplaying is completely different than starting a console war


I have to prove why my opinion is different from your unproven one, then. Cool.