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marley on 12 July 2014
daredevil.shark said:
CladInShadows said:
daredevil.shark said:
With PS1 that attracted and retained mature gamers who were suffering from fatigue for playing the same game over and over again. 

What exactly are you basing this on?


With PS1 people got variety. Who wants to rescue a princess who has been kidnapped for the 100th time over and over again? Playstation 1 was about brand new IP and fresh take on gaming.

Yeah, because Super Mario games were all that existed before the PS1 came out.... 



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Dr.Henry_Killinger on 12 July 2014

I really hit a nerve, didn't I?



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Lawlight on 12 July 2014
MohammadBadir said:

Wouldn't be more fitting to say Nintendo's the one who started it, and Playstation's the one who changed it, and Xbox changed it some more?

or Atari created, etc.


No, because the industry as we know it was created with the introduction of the PS. As in games being a form of entertainment rather than a toy for kids.



curl-6 on 12 July 2014
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
I really hit a nerve, didn't I?

If your goal was to stealth-troll the Playstation fanbase, you've certainly succeeded.



Dr.Henry_Killinger on 12 July 2014
curl-6 said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
I really hit a nerve, didn't I?

If your goal was to stealth-troll the Playstation fanbase, you've certainly succeeded.

After the 20th or so Ban, I think I've adapted sufficiently.



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JWeinCom on 12 July 2014
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

These assumptions of yours are really getting out of hand.

5th,6th and 8th currently, with regards to home consoles, Nintendo has not only lost/is losing majority marketshare to PlayStation, its also last overall. These are generations when they are directly competing against PS and later XB for the traditional gaming audience. 7th gen is the exception, the Wii targets the more mainstream casual audience.

At the very least, reproducing the success of the Wii with the methodology of the 64 and GC makes no sense. And has been shown thus far not to work. Sure, the gen is early, but to get overtaken in less then half the time of the system's lead is indicative of a problem.

As for Mobile, this affected the Wii U's casual appeal.

As for Handheld, that strategy will not help the Wii U.


Assumptions..?  I'm not sure what assumptions you're referring to.  Seriously, be specific. Do you mean assumptions like your assumption that mobile has affected Wii U's casual appeal.  That's an assumption unless you have something to back it up. 

They are directly competing in every generation.  They are selling a gaming console.  Microsoft is selling a gaming console.  Sony is selling a gaming console.  They each want you to buy their gaming console.  That's direct competition baby.  Definitely a lot of PS2 fans that bought a Wii instead of a PS3.

I'll agree that the 64 and GC strategy don't make sense, but I'm not sure that's the exact strategy being employed.  Certainly Nintendo did try to bring more third parties aboard, and they had quite a bit of early support. They also clearly are targeting more than the GCN 64 market, and titles like Nintendo Land, Game and Wario, Wii Party U,Wii Fit U, Sports Club, and Lego City Undercover were probably intended to do more than they did.   The issues Wii U is facing has to do with Nintendo's hardware design ( a bizarre emphasis on size and power consumption), delays, and overall marketing.  It's more than just "nintendo prioritizes their first party games". 

 

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daredevil.shark on 12 July 2014
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
I really hit a nerve, didn't I?


Truth hurts for all. Reality is Nintendo has become obsolete in home console market. And Playstation 4 is on its way to PS2 level success (financially).



JWeinCom on 12 July 2014
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
JWeinCom said:

You are criticing my thread on the basis of its structure. You feel that I give to much credit to the big 3 because of bias, etc, etc...That's fine you can disagree with that all you want. But your not addressing my point, so their is no need to defend anything.

Well, I thought that I was.  Which I'll get to later.  But I made several points directly regarding your argument that you didn't address.

So, go ahead and make a better thread. I mean its not my fault that you responded to the title, or didn't understand what this thread was trying to convey.

Ummmm... it's my fault that I thought  a thread titled "Playstation created the industry" is about playstation created the industry.  Nope nope.  Your fault.  You're claiming "But they can't address the heart of the issue."  Ever think that maybe nobody is addressing the heart of the issue because they aren't clear what the issue is?  So, that's your fault as well.  I'm just saying, maybe it's not everybody is stupid and misinterpreted your argument.  Maybe your argument was poorly written, unfocussed and unclear. 

So, I'm not trying to be sarcastic at all but to provide useful feedback.  When you write an essay, you need to start with a topic sentence or paragraph.  In an argumentative essay, you introduce your topic, your identify your position, and then you lay out the points that support that position.  So, when you make a topic sentence about Sony creating the industy, people naturally think that's what you're discussing, and that's why they're reacting to that. If Nintendo not being able to compete is your main point, then make that clear in the beginning, not in the last paragraph.

As far as I'm concerned, the focus is the home console industry, something that should be, obivious when it is the main subject matter. The topic is concerning the Wii U, the Xb1, and the PS4, and why they are the way they are currently.

And to properly address that you need to analyze other parts of the industry to see how they intersect and to examine why Nintendo's methods are working in some place and not working in others.  You also have to address things like hardware specs, multimedia capabilities, media storage methods etc etc. 

I don't. That is not this thread's purpose. If you wish to address these issues you have, then feel free to make your own thread.


Hmmmmm... so anything outside the ill defined "mainstream fanbase" is deemed outside of the gaming industry, and anything that is outside of your ill defined argument is ignored.  Consistent if nothing else.  *Shrug* 



Dr.Henry_Killinger on 12 July 2014
JWeinCom said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
JWeinCom said:

Nope. They don't.

Sony did dominate the 5th and 6th gen.  I'm going to ignore the 7th, cause I don't feel like arguing about it, and the 8th because the Gen is like 8 months old (since Sony's arrival in it at least).

Actually, scratch that, I'll play along and pretend Nintendo didn't compete in the 7th gen as though selling more gaming consoles in the games industry is somehow something less than direct competition.  I'll even pretend Sony winning the 8th generation is a foregone conclusion.

The problem is those are effects.  You are arguing that you have thought of the cause. 

Basically, it's the classic "this stone keeps tigers away argument".  That's from a Simpsons episode.  In the episode Lisa (mockingly) tells Homer a rock will keep tigers away.  When Homer points out how dumb that is, Lisa points out that there are no tigers around. Of course, there are no tigers, but that doesn't mean that Lisa's proposed cause has anything to do with that.

So, we can all agree (well, I don't but let's pretend) that Nintendo didn't compete in the 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th generation.  That doesn't mean that your explanation for why that is the case is right. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1Z0H8CHPIU

Can't take the effect, and make it the cause.

 


Assumptions..?  I'm not sure what assumptions you're referring to.  Seriously, be specific. Do you mean assumptions like your assumption that mobile has affected Wii U's casual appeal.  That's an assumption unless you have something to back it up. 

They are directly competing in every generation.  They are selling a gaming console.  Microsoft is selling a gaming console.  Sony is selling a gaming console.  They each want you to buy their gaming console.  That's direct competition baby.  Definitely a lot of PS2 fans that bought a Wii instead of a PS3.

I'll agree that the 64 and GC strategy don't make sense, but I'm not sure that's the exact strategy being employed.  Certainly Nintendo did try to bring more third parties aboard, and they had quite a bit of early support. They also clearly are targeting more than the GCN 64 market, and titles like Nintendo Land, Game and Wario, Wii Party U,Wii Fit U, Sports Club, and Lego City Undercover were probably intended to do more than they did.   The issues Wii U is facing has to do with Nintendo's hardware design ( a bizarre emphasis on size and power consumption), delays, and overall marketing.  It's more than just "nintendo prioritizes their first party games". 

You are assuming that I'm talking about the industry as a whole rather than the traditional home console market. This is just an argument of semantics on the most basic of levels.

Sure they are directly competing in the industry, not for the same markets however. And their are distinct markets, each consisting of smaller submarkets. The Wii, for the most part, did not compete for the same market that the PS360 addressed. This was the only gen they had the lead against PlayStation as a home console.



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Ronster316 on 12 July 2014

Jesus christ............. sony fans will be trying to tell the world that sony invented the god damn wheel at this rate.

sony aint responsible for jack sh*t.

As mentioned in some previous posts, they were in the right place at the right time, they got lucky. (and had the financial muscle to bully the competition)