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JWeinCom said:

You're saying Sony invented the gaming industry then painting anyone outside the parts Sony does well in as outside the mainstream.

 

Intresting, so you are telling me what I said because I never said that Sony invented the game industry. If you actually read the OP, this discussion wouldn't be necessary.

Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

Now then, with this I have come to the conclusion that the industry we have today was created by PlayStation with the PS1. In this 5th generation, everything changed, from the market demographic to the importance of 3rd parties. 

 

JWeinCom said:

The Wii doesn't count because those people aren't gamers despite the fact that they bought game. 

Handhelds don't count because they don't include Microsoft, although that didn't seem to matter when we were discussing the PS1 gen.  So yeah, just cutting out the parts they didn't do well in.

Beyond the issue of bias, cutting out the PC, handheld, and mobile sectors completely ruins any claim of a complete analysis.  You can't pretend home consoles exist in a vacuum and that arcades, PCs, handhelds, and even mobile gaming didn't effect them. 

This isn't an analysis of the entire gaming industry, only an assessment of why the current home consoles are in the state they are in. This is a history in brief, it should be apparent that the only industry this analysis is concerned with is that of the home console industry, that the only relevant effects of PCs, handhelds, and mobile gaming devices is how they affect the home console industry. The purpose is to understand why the state of this industry is the way it is. Why 3rd party support on Nintendo's platform is dwindling when it was the leader of the 3rd and 4th generations.

You're dissagreement is due to the fact that you are looking for something that isn't here. This is a focused look not a comprehensive one, but you cannot disagree with my points only on the format of my argument which is structured this way to simplify the issue.

The various contributions of the other companies are irrelevant insofar as this discussion is about 8th generation consoles and what lead up to them.



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daredevil.shark said:
AshKetchum1992 said:
daredevil.shark said:

Rescuing a princess who gets kidnapped on a regular basis.

So you're saying that there was only Mario at that time or what?


99% nintendo IPs are like that. Plus nintendo bullied third party developers a lot during NES era with total control over cartridge. Playstation saved them.

At this point, I will kindly remind everyone to not feed the trolls.  All I will say on the matter, and I hope others will follow suit.



jlmurph2 said:

Bad thing about Sega's though was that it was future flawed. It was a dial-up service I believe that lasted less than a year.


That was the Dreamcast. However with the Sega Genesis they had a Cable service for games that not many people could actually gain acess to...but was more or less a very early online service.



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daredevil.shark said:
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:
daredevil.shark said:


You know there is a big difference between "creating an industry" and "improving an industry"? Nintendo didnt "created" it. They rescued. Thats all. Nothing more.

Okay fine, then state that instead skipping them entirely... Nintendo Rescued the Industry, Sony changed the playing field and Xbox evolutionized it... I like that better actually, but not showing them even a bit of respect is pretty low


Please read the thread properly. I already mentioned nintendo rescued the industry. And I also disagreed with OP. But this doesnt change the fast tact since 1995 playstation has lead the gaming industry most of the times. Especially playstaion brand with Xbox brand helped third party developers. And third party developers are main backbone of this industry. And third party games are tough sell in nintendo platsorms.

" Agreed with the title. Playstation saved gaming industry twice. With PS1 that attracted and retained mature gamers who were suffering from fatigue for playing the same game over and over again. And PS4 saved the console industry with their stance against DRM. Long live playstation."

How is that disagreeing? And sure, Playstation lead the console after 1995 (since we love ignoring handhelds so much which is where playstation suffers, specially this generation) but if u are going to give a lesson on history, then mention Nintendo, and by you, I mean the OP cause thats what we are arguing about right? That is also what I meant on my previous comment where I said "I like that better actually, but not showing them even a bit of respect is pretty low" so if you thought I ment you specifically, sorry about that but it was meant for the OP. Gaming industry was created before 1995 and credit should be given where its due... I respect that Playstation did many things but others should respect that Nintendo did many things as well but so far, it seems to be a one way street



                  

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OmegaRed421 said

 Gaming was growing up with or without Sony...N64 had mature games as well as Sega systems.

 

Finally! Some common sense!



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daredevil.shark said:


99% nintendo IPs are like that. Plus nintendo bullied third party developers a lot during NES era with total control over cartridge. Playstation saved them.

That numbers seems legit. Not exaggerated or anything.

OT: It seems like others have already responded to this better than I could...though I do find it amusing this is listed in the Sony Discussion section...especially given how the OP closes, and what most of the responses in this thread are likely going to be discussing.



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daredevil.shark said:
CladInShadows said:
daredevil.shark said:
With PS1 that attracted and retained mature gamers who were suffering from fatigue for playing the same game over and over again. 

What exactly are you basing this on?


With PS1 people got variety. Who wants to rescue a princess who has been kidnapped for the 100th time over and over again? Playstation 1 was about brand new IP and fresh take on gaming.

Yeah no. As someone who was actually there, I can tell you this isn't the case. Not even close. We have 4 Mario games and 3 Zelda games spanning the 10-11 years during gen 3 and gen 4. For every "save the princess" game back then, you had 10 or more games about something else.  Racing games, side scrollers, sports games, platformers, run and guns, JRPGs, vertical shooters, strategy games, dungeon crawlers, action/adventures, fighting games, beat em ups, and even first person shooters. The NES was THE system for third parties. And the SNES and Genesis both enjoyed very healthy third party support with a wide variety of game types.  The only thing the PS1/N64 era brought was a 3rd dimension and more realistic graphics so that people afraid of cartoony graphics could join in on the fun and claim the new games were more "mature." The thing the PS1 did differently was steal all the third party support by having a disc drive when Nintendo stuck with cartridges.

Your view of gens 3/4 is just...wrong. 



Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
JWeinCom said:

You're saying Sony invented the gaming industry then painting anyone outside the parts Sony does well in as outside the mainstream.

 

Intresting, so you are telling me what I said because I never said that Sony invented the game industry. If you actually read the OP, this discussion wouldn't be necessary.

Yes.  you did say it.  Look up man, it's the topic.  "Sony created the industry."  That's your topic man.  I don't understand how I could have possibly misinterpeted that.   You clearly said it. Generally, the title of an article sets up the reader's expectations for what that article is about.  So, if I see an article titled "Playstation created the industry, Xbox changed the playing field", I naturally assume the body of the article is meant to show me how Playstation created the industry (and how Xbox changed it too I guess).  If your post is not meant to show how Playstation created the industry, then you made a very bad title, and if I misinterpreted your article, that's why I did it.  Titles are important.

Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

Now then, with this I have come to the conclusion that the industry we have today was created by PlayStation with the PS1. In this 5th generation, everything changed, from the market demographic to the importance of 3rd parties. 

 

JWeinCom said:

The Wii doesn't count because those people aren't gamers despite the fact that they bought game. 

Handhelds don't count because they don't include Microsoft, although that didn't seem to matter when we were discussing the PS1 gen.  So yeah, just cutting out the parts they didn't do well in.

Beyond the issue of bias, cutting out the PC, handheld, and mobile sectors completely ruins any claim of a complete analysis.  You can't pretend home consoles exist in a vacuum and that arcades, PCs, handhelds, and even mobile gaming didn't effect them. 

This isn't an analysis of the entire gaming industry, only an assessment of why the current home consoles are in the state they are in. This is a history in brief, it should be apparent that the only industry this analysis is concerned with is that of the home console industry, that the only relevant effects of PCs, handhelds, and mobile gaming devices is how they affect the home console industry. The purpose is to understand why the state of this industry is the way it is. Why 3rd party support on Nintendo's platform is dwindling when it was the leader of the 3rd and 4th generations.

You're dissagreement is due to the fact that you are looking for something that isn't here. This is a focused look not a comprehensive one, but you cannot disagree with my points only on the format of my argument which is structured this way to simplify the issue.

The various contributions of the other companies are irrelevant insofar as this discussion is about 8th generation consoles and what lead up to them.

I'm looking for something that's not there, because it should be there, and it needs to be there if you want to have an opinion on the subject that has any weight to it.  You can't explain "how the industry is the way it is" while ignoring everything you ignored.  And if you want to talk about why Nintendo's third party support is dwindling, then you did kind of didn't do a good job with that either, as hardware specs and media format are not adequetely addressed.





Super_Boom said:
daredevil.shark said:


99% nintendo IPs are like that. Plus nintendo bullied third party developers a lot during NES era with total control over cartridge. Playstation saved them.

That numbers seems legit. Not exaggerated or anything.

OT: It seems like others have already responded to this better than I could...though I do find it amusing this is listed in the Sony Discussion section...especially given how the OP closes, and what most of the responses in this thread are likely going to be discussing.

This actually belongs in the Nintendo section.

Responders and ravers can rant all they want, they can attack my argument on the grounds of its formation or structure or whatever. But they can't address the heart of the issue. Nintendo can't compete directly against Sony and Microsoft any longer because its PS's Market (The homeconsole market anyway).

And all 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th gen back me up.



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JWeinCom said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
JWeinCom said:

You're saying Sony invented the gaming industry then painting anyone outside the parts Sony does well in as outside the mainstream.

 

Intresting, so you are telling me what I said because I never said that Sony invented the game industry. If you actually read the OP, this discussion wouldn't be necessary.

Yes.  you did say it.  Look up man, it's the topic.  "Sony created the industry."  That's your topic man.  I don't understand how I could have possibly misinterpeted that.   You clearly said it. Generally, the title of an article sets up the reader's expectations for what that article is about.  So, if I see an article titled "Playstation created the industry, Xbox changed the playing field", I naturally assume the body of the article is meant to show me how Playstation created the industry (and how Xbox changed it too I guess).  If your post is not meant to show how Playstation created the industry, then you made a very bad title, and if I misinterpreted your article, that's why I did it.  Titles are important.

Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

Now then, with this I have come to the conclusion that the industry we have today was created by PlayStation with the PS1. In this 5th generation, everything changed, from the market demographic to the importance of 3rd parties. 

 

JWeinCom said:

The Wii doesn't count because those people aren't gamers despite the fact that they bought game. 

Handhelds don't count because they don't include Microsoft, although that didn't seem to matter when we were discussing the PS1 gen.  So yeah, just cutting out the parts they didn't do well in.

Beyond the issue of bias, cutting out the PC, handheld, and mobile sectors completely ruins any claim of a complete analysis.  You can't pretend home consoles exist in a vacuum and that arcades, PCs, handhelds, and even mobile gaming didn't effect them. 

This isn't an analysis of the entire gaming industry, only an assessment of why the current home consoles are in the state they are in. This is a history in brief, it should be apparent that the only industry this analysis is concerned with is that of the home console industry, that the only relevant effects of PCs, handhelds, and mobile gaming devices is how they affect the home console industry. The purpose is to understand why the state of this industry is the way it is. Why 3rd party support on Nintendo's platform is dwindling when it was the leader of the 3rd and 4th generations.

You're dissagreement is due to the fact that you are looking for something that isn't here. This is a focused look not a comprehensive one, but you cannot disagree with my points only on the format of my argument which is structured this way to simplify the issue.

The various contributions of the other companies are irrelevant insofar as this discussion is about 8th generation consoles and what lead up to them.

I'm looking for something that's not there, because it should be there, and it needs to be there if you want to have an opinion on the subject that has any weight to it.  You can't explain "how the industry is the way it is" while ignoring everything you ignored.  And if you want to talk about why Nintendo's third party support is dwindling, then you did kind of didn't do a good job with that either, as hardware specs and media format are not adequetely addressed.



Then create your own thread.



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