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daredevil.shark said:
Agreed with the title. Playstation saved gaming industry twice. With PS1 that attracted and retained mature gamers who were suffering from fatigue for playing the same game over and over again. And PS4 saved the console industry with their stance against DRM. Long live playstation.

Which game? :O



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The delusion is strong in this thread. For those of us who were actually around in the early 90's, everyone knew the only reason the PS1 beat out the N64 was due to nintendo stupidly choosing cartidge. The industry was heading towards catering to older gamers with mature content as games like Doom, Mortal Kombat,etc proved this. Sony basically got bullshit lucky with both Nintendo and Sega making bad choices in hardware design which led to the vast majority of 3rd party jumping ship. They neither innovated nor created this current market. 

Let u not forget who brought the FPS genre into the spotlight on consoles



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MohammadBadir said:

Wouldn't be more fitting to say Nintendo's the one who started it, and Playstation's the one who changed it, and Xbox changed it some more?

or Atari created, etc.

I will have to agree with the OP. Sony didnt start or pioneer console gaming as it is, but the created the console gaming industry as we know it today.They didnt just make a mainstream console marketed towards all ages, they also opened th eflood gates for third parties. Sony kinda showed how big and diverse the industry could be when not being driven by a platform that basically builds a console to sell its own games (nintendo). It may even be safe to assume that if not for nintendo's continuous successes in the handheld space they could very well have gone down the same path as sega.

MS did bring home the connected and service based console. For better or for worse and in addition to that their core as a OS company showed in their consoles. Particularly with the 360. I am afraid to think of what consoles would be today feature and network wise if MS never got into the industry.

If nintendo should be credited for anything, I think it should be the games and interface design. Nintendo pretty much created the  games blueprint. And lets not forget, they also broke ground on innovations like having shoulder buttons, analouge sticks, vibration in controllers, motion gaming (and i am not even talking about the wii here I am talking about the NES and that zapper gun)...etc

So guess we can say Nintendo drew out the plans and laid the foundation, sony built the buildingand opened its doors to the world and then MS hooked up a telephone to the building.



Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:



I mean jeez, I get people don't like the wiiU but skipping the first and second generation entirely seems pretty low, even more people that don't like the company. Like I get not caring about Nintendo but if you are going to give a "brief history lesson" At least write 2 sentences about how Nintendo had to clean up the mess that Atari created... I mean, did you even know that Sony didn't even want to go into the video game market if it wasn't for Nintendo? But anyway... I don't agree... A better title would be, Nintendo created the industry, Sony changed the playing field and Xbox evolutionized it

I didnt knew "Magnavox Odyssey" was a nintendo product.



AshKetchum1992 said:
daredevil.shark said:
Agreed with the title. Playstation saved gaming industry twice. With PS1 that attracted and retained mature gamers who were suffering from fatigue for playing the same game over and over again. And PS4 saved the console industry with their stance against DRM. Long live playstation.

Which game? :O

Rescuing a princess who gets kidnapped on a regular basis.



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daredevil.shark said:
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:



I mean jeez, I get people don't like the wiiU but skipping the first and second generation entirely seems pretty low, even more people that don't like the company. Like I get not caring about Nintendo but if you are going to give a "brief history lesson" At least write 2 sentences about how Nintendo had to clean up the mess that Atari created... I mean, did you even know that Sony didn't even want to go into the video game market if it wasn't for Nintendo? But anyway... I don't agree... A better title would be, Nintendo created the industry, Sony changed the playing field and Xbox evolutionized it

I didnt knew "Magnavox Odyssey" was a nintendo product.

Yea but them with atari also distroyed it leaving Nintendo to clean up the mess they created... Here, watch this, maybe you will learn something but u probably won't even watch it tbh



                  

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Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
JWeinCom said:


So... Sony invented the industry that we have now... except for the parts they don't do well in... because those parts don't count. 

If its not obvious, I'm talking about the mainstream gamer home console industry. Not the PC or Mobile industry as it doesn't include Nintendo. Not the mobile industry as it doesn't include Microsoft.

You're saying Sony invented the gaming industry then painting anyone outside the parts Sony does well in as outside the mainstream.  The Wii doesn't count because those people aren't gamers despite the fact that they bought game.  Handhelds don't count because they don't include Microsoft, although that didn't seem to matter when we were discussing the PS1 gen.  So yeah, just cutting out the parts they didn't do well in.

Beyond the issue of bias, cutting out the PC, handheld, and mobile sectors completely ruins any claim of a complete analysis.  You can't pretend home consoles exist in a vacuum and that arcades, PCs, handhelds, and even mobile gaming didn't effect them. 



JWeinCom said:
There is a word for the claim that Sony invented the industry. That word is false. It's simply not true in any way shape or form. You can't even really claim Nintendo invented the industry. You can arguably give the credit to Atari for making the first popular multi cartridge machine or Fairchild for making the first multi cartridge machine. There really isn't any way to say Sony made the market. At best a poor choice of words, at worst just plain silly.

You're talking about introduction of the industry, I'm talking about how it creates the industry we have now.

The analysis here is laughably biased. Firstly it completely discounts any company that is not Nintendo, Microsoft, or Sony. Sega for instance had a lot to do with changing the demographics or gaming. Games like Doom also had a lot to do with expanding the market, and that would spillover to console gaming largely with the advent of Halo. It ridiculously discounts Microsofts success as nothing more than taking advantage of Sony's stumble and not crediting them with excellent marketing and some key titles. It also discounts the Wii's role in expanding the market, which undoubtedly spilled over to the 360 and PS3.

All other companies, are basically irrelevant. Sega is now a 3rd party developer. There contrubtions while, necessary, have been suplanted.

I don't mean to discredit what Sony did, but all the same, you can't write off any success Ninty and Microsoft had as either a slip up on Sony's part or a straight fluke. This is an analysis that only carries some sort of weight because Sony is doing well in a young generation which will inevitably see the pendulum swing closer to equilibrium between XBox and Playstation with the Wii U as a wildcard, but its claims are specious.

The purpose of this is to describe why Nintendo has a problem in the industry today, not simply to credit a company with the state of the market today. The reason why this is PS's market is because of 3rd parties and market demographics. Xbox can compete with this because MS as a company is similar to Sony in many ways that Nintendo is not. And Since Sony and Later MS have come into the industry, this has been proven time and time again, with Nintendo only leading the packet when they are competing outside of the traditional console market space.

The point is that Nintendo can succeed if they tap into and lock onto an untapped market, or change the one we currently have back to its favor. However, it doesn't have the power, influence, or relevance currently to do the former.

In regards to PS vs Xbox, which ever one of them draws on the greater portion of the audience will win, simple as that.



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Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

Yea but them with atari also distroyed it leaving Nintendo to clean up the mess they created... Here, watch this, maybe you will learn something but u probably won't even watch it tbh


You know there is a big difference between "creating an industry" and "improving an industry"? Nintendo didnt "created" it. They rescued. Thats all. Nothing more.



Nirvana_Nut85 said:
The delusion is strong in this thread. For those of us who were actually arounnd in the early 90's, everyone knew the only reason PS1 beat out the 64 was due to nintendo stupidly choosing cartidge. Lets us not forget what company brought the fps genre into the spotlight. 64 had mature content with good stellar sales.

Where did I mention the FPS genre?



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