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Forums - Gaming - Global hardware 28 June: PS4 back on top

CGI-Quality said:
Nintentacle said:
You should change the title, PS4 isn't dominating. It should be "PS4 back on top" or "PS4 #1 Again"

As I said before, barring the 3DS, in the console world, the PS4 is  dominating. It just so happens to also be on top.

It's not nearly as close to where it was before, though... It used to be over triple of Wii U!



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Intrinsic said:
CGI-Quality said:
TechnoHobbit said:
This gen isn't going to be like the 7th gen in any way, shape, or form. Still good to see the Wii U having a better baseline now.

As is, no console will reach any of the totals, or it will be dominated by one (ala Gen(s) 5 & 6)?

What historical fact/evidence can you sincerely use to back this claim, or is it a wish?

Cause as is, the PS4 is totally outperforming the PS3 over the same period in the PS3s life. So I honestly don't know how you can reasonably conclude that it will not at least exceed PS3 lifetime sales. In addition to that, if things continue as they are now there is also one console that will dominate the others. Or at least one of the others.

Lets play with numbers a bit. If the PS4 keeps outsells the wiiU at say 2:1 through out the course of this gen. And the PS4 sells an average of 15M  per year. After 6/7 years (including this year) the PS4 will be at 90M/105M to the wiiUs 45M/52M. That doesn't count as dominating to you?

Oh, something to consider.... the PS4 is outselling the wiiU t 2:1 is me being very very very generous.


Ummmm I think you quoted the wrong person as CGI was asking a question not making a statement. And he never said anything about it being or not being domination as well.....just figured I would point that out lol.



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Pavolink said:
Intrinsic said:
Conegamer said:
Not sure if I'd call it "PS4 dominance", but a good week compared to the last few.

40%+ more than the XB1, 50%+ more than the wiiU.

If that doesn't qualify as dominace then i don't know what would.

And Wii U went up 666% that week in UK.

Yeah, porcentages are useless without context.

Indeed esp when they are wrong. It's more like ~60% & 100%. But the context is already there any time a console is double another it's dominating esp if it's a pattern not a one off event. And here it's a pattern. 



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Intrinsic said:
Pavolink said:

And Wii U went up 666% that week in UK.

Yeah, porcentages are useless without context.

Only relevant if you are trying to ignore the facts or in this case the context. Percentages are useless when a product is compared to itself. Like saying wiiU up 666% in relation to whatever WiiU sales were previously.

The context in this regard is by comparing one product directly to a different product competing in the same space. eg. PS4 sold 50% more than wiiU (100k+ to 50k+). In this case, even if the PS4 sold say 10k but sold 50% more than the wiiU.... that literally provides all the context you need.

But of course you probably knew all this already didn't you? :)

Even when you are trying to correct someone you are wrong...

The correct way to phrase that would be to say that the wii u sales were 50% of the PS4 sales. PS4 selling 50% more than the wii u's sales would be 75k considering 50% of 50k is 25k. 



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USA Software:

 

1
EA Sports UFC (PS4)
Electronic Arts, Sports
54,138 233,744 2
2
Mario Kart 8 (WiiU)
Nintendo, Racing
48,868 757,033 5
3
EA Sports UFC (XOne)
Electronic Arts, Sports
33,855 150,622 2
4
Minecraft (PS3)
Sony Computer Entertainment, Adventure
30,441 304,700 7
5
Minecraft (X360)
Microsoft Game Studios, Adventure
29,847 2,710,150 56
6
Watch Dogs (X360)
Ubisoft, Action
22,535 391,012 5
7
Pokemon X/Y (3DS)
Nintendo, Role-Playing
20,923 3,554,628 38
8
Watch Dogs (PS4)
Ubisoft, Action
20,670 907,637 5
9
Tomodachi Life (3DS)
Nintendo, Simulation
18,482 87,177 4
10
Call of Duty: Ghosts (X360)
Activision, Shooter
16,203 5,334,435 34
11
Grand Theft Auto V (X360)
Take-Two Interactive, Action
14,266 7,497,299 41
12
Watch Dogs (PS3)
Ubisoft, Action
13,368 277,562 5
13
Titanfall (XOne)
Electronic Arts, Shooter
12,746 1,238,757 16
14
Watch Dogs (XOne)
Ubisoft, Action
11,681 572,621 5
15
Call of Duty: Ghosts (PS3)
Activision, Shooter
10,319 3,102,118 34
16
Call of Duty: Ghosts (XOne)
Activision, Shooter
9,342 1,189,929 32
17
Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag (X360)
Ubisoft, Action
8,481 1,330,541 35
18
Forza Motorsport 5 (XOne)
Microsoft Game Studios, Racing
7,844 787,275 32
19
Grand Theft Auto V (PS3)
Take-Two Interactive, Action
7,752 5,472,955 41
20
Call of Duty: Ghosts (PS4)
Activision, Shooter
7,220 1,156,883 33
21
Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag (PS3)
Ubisoft, Action
7,031 907,506 35
22
NBA 2K14 (X360)
Take-Two Interactive, Sports
7,004 1,643,222 39
23
Kirby: Triple Deluxe (3DS)
Nintendo, Platform
6,935 202,401 9
24
New Super Mario Bros. U (WiiU)
Nintendo, Action
6,371 1,744,866 84
25
New Super Luigi U (WiiU)
Nintendo, Platform
6,238 894,956 44
26
Super Mario 3D World (WiiU)
Nintendo, Platform
6,204 879,471 32
27
Titanfall (X360)
Electronic Arts, Shooter
6,144 515,550 12
28
FIFA Soccer 14 (PS4)
Electronic Arts, Sports
5,901 382,415 33
29
MLB 14 The Show (PS4)
Sony Computer Entertainment America, Action
5,752 270,972 8
30
Battlefield 4 (PS4)
Electronic Arts, Shooter
5,566 826,273 33
31
Diablo III (PC)
Activision, Role-Playing
Pro N/A 111
32
Battlefield 4 (XOne)
Electronic Arts, Shooter
Pro N/A 32
33
BlazBlue Chrono Phantasma (PSV)
Arc System Works, Fighting
Pro N/A 1
34
inFAMOUS: Second Son (PS4)
Sony Computer Entertainment, Action
Pro N/A 15
35
The Last of Us (PS3)
Sony Computer Entertainment America, Adventure
Pro N/A 55
36
Mario Kart 7 (3DS)
Nintendo, Racing
Pro N/A 134
37
MLB 14 The Show (PS3)
Sony Computer Entertainment America, Action
Pro N/A 13
38
Call of Duty: Black Ops II (X360)
Activision, Shooter
Pro N/A 85
39
NBA 2K14 (PS3)
Take-Two Interactive, Sports
Pro N/A 39
40
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim (X360)
Bethesda Softworks, Role-Playing
Pro N/A 138
41
Nintendo Land (WiiU)
Nintendo, Action
Pro N/A 84
42
Animal Crossing: New Leaf (3DS)
Nintendo, Action
Pro N/A 55
43
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker HD (WiiU)
Nintendo, Action
Pro N/A 39
44
2014 FIFA World Cup Brazil (X360)
Electronic Arts, Sports
Pro N/A 11
45
2014 FIFA World Cup Brazil (PS3)
Electronic Arts, Sports
Pro N/A 11
46
FIFA Soccer 14 (PS3)
Electronic Arts, Sports
Pro N/A 40
47
Pokemon Black / White Version 2 (DS)
Nintendo, Role-Playing
Pro N/A 90
48
Mario Kart Wii (Wii)
Nintendo, Racing
Pro N/A 322
49
The LEGO Movie Videogame (X360)
Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment, Action
Pro N/A 21
50
New Super Mario Bros. 2 (3DS)
Nintendo, Platform
Pro N/A 97
51
Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag (PS4)
Ubisoft, Action
Pro N/A 33
52
GRID: Autosport (X360)
Codemasters, Racing
Pro N/A 1
53
FIFA Soccer 14 (XOne)
Electronic Arts, Sports
Pro N/A 32
54
FIFA Soccer 14 (X360)
Electronic Arts, Sports
Pro N/A 40
55
Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag (XOne)
Ubisoft, Action
Pro N/A 32
56
New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Wii)
Nintendo, Platform
Pro N/A 241
57
Killzone: Shadow Fall (PS4)
Sony Computer Entertainment, Action
Pro N/A 33
58
Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Wii)
Nintendo, Fighting
Pro N/A 329
59
Wii Sports (Wii)
Nintendo, Sports
Pro N/A 397
60
NBA 2K14 (XOne)
Take-Two Interactive, Sports
Pro N/A 32
61
Super Mario 3D Land (3DS)
Nintendo, Platform
Pro N/A 137
62
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim (PS3)
Bethesda Softworks, Role-Playing
Pro N/A 138
63
Battlefield 4 (X360)
Electronic Arts, Shooter
Pro N/A 35
64
Wolfenstein: The New Order (XOne)
Bethesda Softworks, Shooter
Pro N/A 6
65
Yoshi's New Island (3DS)
Nintendo, Action
Pro N/A 16
66
Need for Speed Rivals (PS4)
Electronic Arts, Racing
Pro N/A 33
67
Skylanders Swap Force (Wii)
Activision, Platform
Pro N/A 37
68
Diablo III (X360)
Activision, Role-Playing
Pro N/A 43
69
Mario & Luigi: Dream Team (3DS)
Nintendo, Action
Pro N/A 46
70
Call of Duty: Black Ops II (PS3)
Activision, Shooter
Pro N/A 85
71
LEGO Marvel Super Heroes (X360)
Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment, Action
Pro N/A 36
72
NBA 2K14 (PS4)
Take-Two Interactive, Sports
Pro N/A 33
73
Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze (WiiU)
Nintendo, Platform
Pro N/A 19
74
Diablo III (PS3)
Activision, Role-Playing
Pro N/A 43
75
WWE 2K14 (X360)
Take-Two Interactive, Sports
Pro N/A 35



 

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Clyde32 said:
Intrinsic said:

Only relevant if you are trying to ignore the facts or in this case the context. Percentages are useless when a product is compared to itself. Like saying wiiU up 666% in relation to whatever WiiU sales were previously.

The context in this regard is by comparing one product directly to a different product competing in the same space. eg. PS4 sold 50% more than wiiU (100k+ to 50k+). In this case, even if the PS4 sold say 10k but sold 50% more than the wiiU.... that literally provides all the context you need.

But of course you probably knew all this already didn't you? :)

Even when you are trying to correct someone you are wrong...

The correct way to phrase that would be to say that the wii u sales were 50% of the PS4 sales. PS4 selling 50% more than the wii u's sales would be 75k considering 50% of 50k is 25k. 

Eevn though he "technically" said it wrong I am sure everyone knew what he meant. And the context in which he used the context in which he used the percentages was correct as well so the comment by Pav was wrong either way.



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binary solo said:
Pavolink said:

And Wii U went up 666% that week in UK.

Yeah, porcentages are useless without context.

Indeed esp when they are wrong. It's more like ~60% & 100%. But the context is already there any time a console is double another it's dominating esp if it's a pattern not a one off event. And here it's a pattern. 

My bad.. I was concentrating more on correcting him than i was on the percentages. You are right. PS4 sold 100% more than the wiiU.

And again, the context is totally there for all to see which is the point i was really tryng to make.



I'm guessing the xbox one will hold steady in the 50k-65k range, wiiU will drop down 50 the 40-50k range, and the ps4 will stay around 100k.