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Raziel123 said:
KLXVER said:
Raziel123 said:
Why is WWHD even still being talked about? The simple fact that it's 30fps is enough to disqualify it as a worthwhile remaster and instantly less meaningful than TLOU Remastered (and Halo MCC). Seriously, don't bother making a new version for better hardware if you're gonna keep it at 30fps, specially if you're gonna ask full price for it. 60fps or gtfo.

 

lol Whatever makes you believe TLOUR is worth it...


I'm not the one doing any "believing". That's the people who think a 1080p/60fps version of a game that pushed the PS3 hardware to its limits is a rushed crash grab while a lazy 30fps port of a 10 year old game isn't a rushed cash grab.


Both are cash grabs for sure.



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Sweet baby Jesus. You know, I honestly think that naming the game TLoU: GOTY edition Remastered aka (TLoUGOYER) would have alleviated all this ridiculous dribble...



SlayerRondo said:
QuintonMcLeod said:
Euphoria14 said:

They must also not understand the point of Wind Waker HD, GTA V on PS4/XBone or GoTY Editions.

Actually I don't see anyone really complaining about those, but PS4 is winning right now, so TLoU warrants complaining, since it costs $50, just like WWHD and actually less than your typical GoTY Edition.



Just ignore those people.


Except TLoU is a game that was released a year and a half ago with no original plans to bring it to the PS4. The new "remastered" version is only a graphics increase with DLC. Meanwhile, WWHD is a decade old game which was truly remastered, and GTA4 was planned to come to the nextgen platforms regardless.

The bottom line is this: TLoU: RM is a port. No more and no less. When people get excited for a port, thats when you know they have no games to play.

It won more game of the year awards last year than any other game so that may be a part of the exitement.

But still, it does not really compare to the big Xbox One exclusive coming out this July. Does it?


No one is debating whether or not TLoU is a good game. We all know it is. However, Sony is trying to disguise a simple port by telling its consumers that it's a "remaster". No, it's _not_ a remaster by any stretch of the imagination. When people get excited over this, it means they have nothing to play.

As far as the Master Chief Collection. Now THAT is a remaster. They took several of the older games and retweaked them with new assets to make it seem like a more modern game. To top it off, they bundled 4 games in one.



KLXVER said:

Both are cash grabs for sure.

 

Of all the remakes/remasters this year, The Last of Us Remastered is the game that will attract the most new fans.  For both Wind Waker and Halo Master Chief, I would bet that most purchasers of those games have already played those games.  There are lots of PS4 owners that didn't have a PS3.   I would also bet that there are very low number of Xbox1 owners that didn't own Xbox360.  The buyers for Wind Waker/Master Chief Halo are buying the game for nostalgia and replaying the game, but those remastered games are not bringing in new fans.  The Last of Us Remasted is going to purchased by more new fans.




bevochan said:

Of all the remakes/remasters this year, The Last of Us Remastered is the game that will attract the most new fans.  For both Wind Waker and Halo Master Chief, I would bet that most purchasers of those games have already played those games.  There are lots of PS4 owners that didn't have a PS3.   I would also bet that there are very low number of Xbox1 owners that didn't own Xbox360.  The buyers for Wind Waker/Master Chief Halo are buying the game for nostalgia and replaying the game, but those remastered games are not bringing in new fans.  The Last of Us Remasted is going to purchased by more new fans.


Doesnt make it any less of a cash grab...



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A_C_E said:

1. I know its a remaster of a game one year old. Everyone knows this. Why are you telling me this? WWHD is over ten years old, it practically requires to be a remake whereas TLoU is only a year old and doesn't benefit as much from being remade. You expect a company to spend ten times the amount of money on just rebuilding from scratch when they could get almost as good results for a tenth of the cost. Boy, you've got a lot to learn about the real world.

2. There's a bit more crispness? That's it? No double the FPS, consistent FPS, better lighting, touched up controls, none of that, just a bit more crispness. Come on...

And those advertisement/developement costs will produce them more money than the omission of the project giving way to more money for future products. So if your worried about anything to do with future titles from Naughty Dog you can rest assured knowing that TLoU Remastered helped with the developement costs of whatever titles ND make this generation.

1. I know plenty about the real world to know when a company screws up developmental cycles. Sony was ill-prepared for the summer, so much that they had to make a year-old remaster their flagship title. That's undeinable. 

2. I would expect double FPS/consistent FPS on new hardware. Of course, very few people complained about the FPS on the original game anyway, so I don't see where you're coming from.

3. And yes, I'll agree with you there, the money will be spent on newer projects. Still doesn't mean it's not a slap in the face of the 50% of the PS4 owners who already own a PS3 and were looking forward to playing more original content this summer. If TLOU was released as a secondary title with multiple other AAA titles in the spotlight, it would be fine. As it is, the only flagship title Sony had prepared for PS4 owners for the summer was a year-old remaster that is only slightly upgraded.



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QuintonMcLeod said:

No one is debating whether or not TLoU is a good game. We all know it is. However, Sony is trying to disguise a simple port by telling its consumers that it's a "remaster". No, it's _not_ a remaster by any stretch of the imagination.

Do you even know what "remastering" means? Sure it is a "remaster"... most ports are "remasters". If they change something, even if it were only the fixed resolution, they can call it that.



bevochan said:
KLXVER said:

Both are cash grabs for sure.

 

Of all the remakes/remasters this year, The Last of Us Remastered is the game that will attract the most new fans.  For both Wind Waker and Halo Master Chief, I would bet that most purchasers of those games have already played those games.  There are lots of PS4 owners that didn't have a PS3.   I would also bet that there are very low number of Xbox1 owners that didn't own Xbox360.  The buyers for Wind Waker/Master Chief Halo are buying the game for nostalgia and replaying the game, but those remastered games are not bringing in new fans.  The Last of Us Remasted is going to purchased by more new fans.


What does that matter?  The main goal of all these big video game companies is to make money.  Everything else is a distance 2nd.  All these fanboys think they have some connection to their favorite company and/or have some unreasonable hatred toward another company.  In the end, the CEOs and people in those financial boardroom don't care that much what the video gamers think.  Also, there are lots of turnovers for most people in those financial boardrooms, so I'm sure they are more worried about their bank accounts today rather than some perception from the video gamers few years down the road.  (examples:  EA, Activison, etc).

Naught Dog should definitely do remastered Last of Us because they are going to make money.   If there is something that is going to make money and that person decides not to do it, that is utter stupidity.




bevochan said:


What does that matter?  The main goal of all these big video game companies is to make money.  Everything else is a distance 2nd.  All these fanboys think they have some connection to their favorite company and/or have some unreasonable hatred toward another company.  In the end, the CEOs and people in those financial boardroom don't care that much what the video gamers think.  Also, there are lots of turnovers for most people in those financial boardrooms, so I'm sure they are more worried about their bank accounts today rather than some perception from the video gamers few years down the road.  (examples:  EA, Activison, etc).

Naught Dog should definitely do remastered Last of Us because they are going to make money.   If there is something that is going to make money and that person decides not to do it, that is utter stupidity.


Well if you believe people can do whatever they want as long as they make money, then I disagree...

 

Micro transactions, on-disc DLC, online passes and pre-order bonuses you should be ok with as well then. Sure they make money there and then, but its not going to last very long when gamers get enough of it.



Conina said:
QuintonMcLeod said:

No one is debating whether or not TLoU is a good game. We all know it is. However, Sony is trying to disguise a simple port by telling its consumers that it's a "remaster". No, it's _not_ a remaster by any stretch of the imagination.

Do you even know what "remastering" means? Sure it is a "remaster"... most ports are "remasters". If they change something, even if it were only the fixed resolution, they can call it that.


The game hasn't changed. How hard is it to up the resolution of a game? That's the equivlent of running Tomb Raider on a 8800GT and then upgrading your GPU to a GTX780TI and calling Tomb Raider "remastered" because you can run it on a higher resolution at a faster frame rate. That's not a remastered game. It's a port.

You also cannot apply the definition of remastering a movie to remastering a video game. Even with movies, movies would need to be several years old to be considered "remasters". Otherwise, they're called re-releases. Even so, video games and movies are different.

A remastered game is when the assets in the game have been retooled to support a modern technology or audience. Also, games would need to be several years old to be considered "remastered". 

1) Super Mario All Stars would be considered a remastered game. They used all new assets for that game.

2) Metal Gear Solid Trilogy HD _IS_ a remaster. They used all new assets for that game.

3) Zone of Enders HD is NOT a remaster. It is an HD port

4) Soul Caliber II HD is NOT a remaster. It's an HD port.

4) Wind Waker HD _IS_ a remaster. They used all new assets for this game.

You get it?