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curl-6 said:
fatslob-:O said:
curl-6 said:

One game? And don't be surprised if it comes to PS4/Xbone in the future.

Most pirates aren't pirates out of necessity; if they can afford a rig that can run games at high spec, they can afford the games. They just have an entitled brat attitude and think they should get what they want for nothing.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/11/19/star-citizen-will-never-be-dumbed-down-for-consoles/

It won't come to consoles and so will ARMA 3 as well as Dayz. 

Don't assume that every PC gamers have awesomely expensive rigs and don't also assume that they would pirate because at that point they might as well use steam instead of pirating. This is totally on the fault of the developers being obsessed with the money from console gamers and most of the pirates are really from low income users.

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/may/03/why-poor-countries-lead-world-piracy

If you were poor, you wouldn't have a rig that could play AAA PC exclusives in the first place, so you're irrelevant to this discussion.

That is not true at all, I know many POOR students who have gaming PC's, contrary to what you think, if you have a PC home already, making it good enough to mplay games even on very good settings is vey cheap. Everyone today ahs a PC at home.



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mentalstasis said:

That is not true at all, I know many POOR students who have gaming PC's, contrary to what you think, if you have a PC home already, making it good enough to mplay games even on very good settings is vey cheap. Everyone today ahs a PC at home.

You know what else is  cheap?  Games. Relative to the cost of a Crysis-ready PC anyway.



curl-6 said:
mentalstasis said:
curl-6 said:
fatslob-:O said:
curl-6 said:

One game? And don't be surprised if it comes to PS4/Xbone in the future.

Most pirates aren't pirates out of necessity; if they can afford a rig that can run games at high spec, they can afford the games. They just have an entitled brat attitude and think they should get what they want for nothing.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/11/19/star-citizen-will-never-be-dumbed-down-for-consoles/

It won't come to consoles and so will ARMA 3 as well as Dayz. 

Don't assume that every PC gamers have awesomely expensive rigs and don't also assume that they would pirate because at that point they might as well use steam instead of pirating. This is totally on the fault of the developers being obsessed with the money from console gamers and most of the pirates are really from low income users.

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/may/03/why-poor-countries-lead-world-piracy

If you were poor, you wouldn't have a rig that could play AAA PC exclusives in the first place, so you're irrelevant to this discussion.

That is not true at all, I know many POOR students who have gaming PC's, contrary to what you think, if you have a PC home already, making it good enough to mplay games even on very good settings is vey cheap. Everyone today ahs a PC at home.

You know what else is  cheap?  Games. Relative to the cost of a Crysis-ready PC anyway.


How is that even relevant? A cheap PC can run crysis with ease.



Crytek heeft toch nooit  goede games gemaakt, alleen maar mooie games.



mentalstasis said:


How is that even relevant? A cheap PC can run crysis with ease.

And games are not that expensive. 

And poverty is not a license to steal.



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curl-6 said:
fatslob-:O said:
curl-6 said:

If you were poor, you wouldn't have a rig that could play AAA PC exclusives in the first place, so you're irrelevant to this discussion.

You underestimate how developers will go out of their way to targeting minimum specs. Many people with a R7 240 will be able to get by. Sure it may be sub hd and what not but they'll still get through so if anything you would drop your worthless agument on piracy being the problem when it's very clear that these poorer countries will find a way. 

If you can afford a rig that could play Crysis, you can afford to buy games.

And poverty is not a license to steal.

Again, from personal experience I can tell you that most people who pirate are collage students, with a $500 PC that they use for their studies or work, and play pirated games on medium settings at best. You don't need a $1500+ PC to play ALL games, and in all honesty many don't give a fuck. 



Nintendo and PC gamer

curl-6 said:
mentalstasis said:


How is that even relevant? A cheap PC can run crysis with ease.

And games are not that expensive. 

And poverty is not a license to steal.


I ask again, what does that have to do with my post? I was not even talking about that.....How do you know those who pirate would buy the game anyway??? It's not as big an issue as you make it to be, piracy has always existed.



curl-6 said:

If you can afford a rig that could play Crysis, you can afford to buy games.

And poverty is not a license to steal.

You disappoint me, curl ... It's extremely sad that you would grossly over generalize a gaming community. Just because they can afford the minimum rigs doesn't equate to the fact that poorer users will be able to get every game and it also doesn't mean that a lot of the PC gamers are to blame since their only given a bad image. It's a fact that piracy wouldn't be as big of a deal if it was eliminated ...

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=17350

For every 1000 pirated copies eliminated you will only get back 1 sale ... I know it's not a license for pirating but you have to understand the darker side of the world.



curl-6 said:

Making a mega-budget game for PC only is financial suicide, hell, devs go backrupt these days even with PC and consoles to draw on. You need every possible source of income to recoup those kind of ridiculously excessive expenditures. 

The better solution would be to just spend a sensible amount of money on your game, instead of enough to buy a small country.

The first Crysis wasnt a mega budget game and it was still very good, same for Warhead. Making games on the PC simply isnt as expensive as making games for two different consoles. Even PC exclusive indie games can have AAA visuals on PC (e.g The Forest) simply because they run on PCs. The team that made Metro Last Light is tiny compared to the likes of Infinity Ward and Ubisoft but what they acomplished on PC is purely phenominal (becuase they bothered, no 'parity' nonsense).

Crytek could have made Crysis 2 a PC exclusive and just like Crysis and the Witcher it would have been a success. Piracy would still be an issue, but sticking to one open platform would help them manage costs and appeal to their core audience more effectively. I dont think the company has a loyal fanbase anymore, Homefront 2 will be make or break.

CDProject Red had the right approach. While future titles will also be out on consoles they arent ignoring their original fans. The Witcher 3 will probably have many graphics options available to PC gamers, no dumb fps caps, no deactivated textures or effects, it will be DRM free, it wont get second class treatment and so far the game seems to be transplanting PC centric gameplay onto consoles rather than forcing console centric mechanics onto PC.



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

osed125 said:

Again, from personal experience I can tell you that most people who pirate are collage students, with a $500 PC that they use for their studies or work, and play pirated games on medium settings at best. You don't need a $1500+ PC to play ALL games, and in all honesty many don't give a fuck. 

In my experience also. They're also entitled brats who think they should have a luxury without paying for it.