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BMaker11 said:
sales2099 said:

People sell their libraries to Gamestop all the time. But in many cases people bought another 360. It is a testament to its desirability.

By games over again.....if you beat them there is no point in rebuying them.....to display in your house for people to see? You sell your games, buy the competition, and buy games that release in the future you want to play. Dissecting peoples buying habits cna go on forever. Point being you are spinning this yourself to diminish 360's impressive milestones.

You're right. People do sell their games. When they're done. But unless you only buy one game at a time, and you don't buy another game until your first game is played to completion, then you have multiple games that you're still playing. They aren't on display. At least, that's how normal people are. And if you have multiple games you're still playing, why just give that all up?

Most of my games I have right now are from 2012, onward. I have not finished all of them. Uncharted 1, Bioshock, Final Fantasy, GOW3, etc. beat them and sold them. They're old news. But Borderlands 2, GT6, TLOU, Lightning Returns, etc.? I'm still playing those. So if my PS3 broke, why would I just up and sell them and get a 360, then have to either rebuy those games (that aren't exclusive) or buy other games? Why would I disregard my library that I'm still playing?

Are you trying to say that people, at any given moment, only have either A.  old, disposable games that they've beaten or B. 1-2 games so that if they get different systems, they aren't missing out on a whole bunch? Because you're making it seem like if a console breaks, you effectively weren't using it anyway, so you can just switch.

No, people rebuy a console, if it breaks, so they can play the games they own. It's dumb to throw away what you're using. I didn't rebuy my PS3 because Kingdom Hearts HD was coming out 3 months later (which is a game I wanted and currently own). I rebought my PS3 because I was still playing Arkham City, TLOU, Borderlands 1 GOTY, GOW: Ascension and I wasn't just going to drop everything, get rid of those games, and switch. Normal people don't do something as silly as that.

It is a fact that people bought multiple 360s due to RROD. Not because some game in the future was coming out. Because they had a library of games they were playing, and they wanted to play them. PS3 or Wii can't play 360 discs. Do you really believe that at any moment all of a person's games are beaten, so they could just sell them? Because that's what you're getting at and that's delusional. If that fact is "diminishing the 360s impressive milestones" then so be it. You don't like facts, then too bad.

I believe you said that you don't have an Xbox One yet, but I'm sure you have a 360. Are you still using it? If it broke right now, would you get a PS3 instead of getting another 360? Every game you own right now is clearly beaten and is just on display, so you could just sell them since you've beaten every single one, right? At least, that's the picture you've painted. That people have no library, at any moment, because they've beaten all their games and sold them, so they'd rebuy a console if it broke due to future games. No way are they currently playing any games. That'd be preposterous

"Normal". Now that is interesting to debate. I personally think having a backlog of dozens of games isn't normal. I myself only buy say 5 games per year and play them accordingly, spend my time and money on life expenses. I also think buying a game full price and selling it for $10 isn't normal, at least not financially smart. I'd rather keep what I beat. Point being there really is no "normal". Gamers buy and sell as they please.

You in the end are just trying to say how 360 got to where it is. Doesn't change the end result. You may sour the victory, but it is a victory nonetheless.

I still use my 360, currently playing Halo 4 and Titanfall, plus whatever Games for Gold I get. I wouldn't buy a PS3 if my 360 broke, but then again I wouldn't buy PS because it is PS. I see what you are saying, and I nor you speak for everybody. That said, the results are what they are, and 360 sold a ton more software then PS3. Go figure.



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sales2099 said:

"Normal". Now that is interesting to debate. I personally think having a backlog of dozens of games isn't normal. I myself only buy say 5 games per year and play them accordingly, spend my time and money on life expenses. I also think buying a game full price and selling it for $10 isn't normal, at least not financially smart. I'd rather keep what I beat. Point being there really is no "normal". Gamers buy and sell as they please.

You in the end are just trying to say how 360 got to where it is. Doesn't change the end result. You may sour the victory, but it is a victory nonetheless.

I still use my 360, currently playing Halo 4 and Titanfall, plus whatever Games for Gold I get. I wouldn't buy a PS3 if my 360 broke, but then again I wouldn't buy PS because it is PS. I see what you are saying, and I nor you speak for everybody. That said, the results are what they are, and 360 sold a ton more software then PS3. Go figure.

I'm not "sour" at the "victory". I never denied the 80+ million sold. That's 80+ million worth of consoles prices going to Microsoft, so  it doesn't how/when/where/why the consoles were bought, because the money is all the same to MS. All I ever posited was that many of the units are rebuys, due to the 360s technical problems. Imagine how many people were in your position, with the games at that time. If your 360 broke while you're playing Halo 4 and TF, you would buy another 360 because you're still playing those games. You wouldn't just ignore them and switch to a different console (btw, not buying a PS "because it's PS" is, quite frankly, dumb. Even I bought a 360 one time because it had good software I wanted. Didn't ignore that "because it was Xbox"). Just like I said that many people rebought their 360s to play the games they have. But when I stated that before, you went off about how people rebought consoles for future titles, and they already sold their games. As if none of the games they own were currently being played or games that they hadn't played yet. 

And a library doesn't need to have a back catalog of "dozens of games". If I own just 5 games and my system breaks, I'm buying the same system to play those games on. Just like anyone else would. I think it is "normal" to buy a system you own games for. If I own 5 PS3 games, why would I, then, buy a 360, if I have to choose between the two? I'd obviously want the one I could play my games on. If calling that "normal" is up for debate, then I don't know what normal means. 

And a side note: Gamestop isn't the only place you can sell games to, so you can get more than $10 for a game. Go on ebay or Half or Amazon or anything other than Gamestop. GT6 gets $15 from GS. Gets $30 from eBay. Getting $30 for a 6 month old game that retails between $30 and $40? I'd call that "normal" as well. Now, if you buy a game full price, then sell it 2 years later and you only get $10, that's "normal" as well. But if you're foolish enough to go to an establishment like Gamestop with a game that isn't that old, and accept the pitiful amount they give you for it, that's your own fault for not researching better means to sell games



sales2099 said:
DakonBlackblade said:

The PS3 has always outsold the X1 by a fairly large margin, its not rocket sience, 1 year less in the market and the same total sales, PS3 has always sold faster. I dont know why ppl look at total sales of consoles that didnt launch at the same year. Its lthe same deal with the WiiU and the ONe, saying the WiiU is ahead is not right the XOne sells a lot faster than the WiiU ever did, launches need ot be aligned.

Except that is making an unfair industry fair, which alters reality. This is an industry where head starts count and aligned launches are only done by the losing fan faction to save face. WiiU got a head start and reaped that year of sales benefits. Now X1 has its work cut out for it to take 2nd. There is no compensation system in the industry. You have to make your own way, there is no unified start date.

It only counts if the 360 stays in the market for 1 year more than the PS3 otherwise it doesnt. Again not rocket sience 1 year less to sell the same amount = better sales.



ironmanDX said:
BMaker11 said:

according to official shipments, PS3 surpassed Xbox 360 back in December 2012. Factor in how padded the 360s numbers are due to multiple purchases via RROD, and the PS3 surpassed it way before that. Not "officially", because only shipments and sold-through numbers matter to investors, but unofficially in the sense that more people own PS3s worldwide than 360s


Rrod units can't count as sold. That is lying to the shareholders... Which you just can't do. 

Wat. Of course they count. It's a new unit manufactured.



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DakonBlackblade said:
sales2099 said:
DakonBlackblade said:

The PS3 has always outsold the X1 by a fairly large margin, its not rocket sience, 1 year less in the market and the same total sales, PS3 has always sold faster. I dont know why ppl look at total sales of consoles that didnt launch at the same year. Its lthe same deal with the WiiU and the ONe, saying the WiiU is ahead is not right the XOne sells a lot faster than the WiiU ever did, launches need ot be aligned.

Except that is making an unfair industry fair, which alters reality. This is an industry where head starts count and aligned launches are only done by the losing fan faction to save face. WiiU got a head start and reaped that year of sales benefits. Now X1 has its work cut out for it to take 2nd. There is no compensation system in the industry. You have to make your own way, there is no unified start date.

It only counts if the 360 stays in the market for 1 year more than the PS3 otherwise it doesnt. Again not rocket sience 1 year less to sell the same amount = better sales.

No one uses this sort of calculating. Even SONY doesn't publish statements proclaiming beating the 360 if launches are aligned. Apple doesn't do it.  SONY and MS deal with actual numbers not hypothetical fake comparisons. If you can find a statement with SONY talking about your argument I will agree.

Do you see Apple doing this when discussing IPHONE sales or Samsung with Galaxys sales?


Plus launching a year later allowed Sony to include a more powerful system with a Bluray drive , WIFI, free PSN to counter XBL etc..

You can't deal with hypotheticals cause it doesn't exist in a bubble.



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BMaker11 said:

according to official shipments, PS3 surpassed Xbox 360 back in December 2012. Factor in how padded the 360s numbers are due to multiple purchases via RROD, and the PS3 surpassed it way before that. Not "officially", because only shipments and sold-through numbers matter to investors, but unofficially in the sense that more people own PS3s worldwide than 360s


So you have no facts to back this outlandish statement? Here is a fact,  MS doesn't count RROD units.



Dark Chaos said:

No one uses this sort of calculating. Even SONY doesn't publish statements proclaiming beating the 360 if launches are aligned. Apple doesn't do it.  SONY and MS deal with actual numbers not hypothetical fake comparisons. If you can find a statement with SONY talking about your argument I will agree.

Do you see Apple doing this when discussing IPHONE sales or Samsung with Galaxys sales?


Plus launching a year later allowed Sony to include a more powerful system with a Bluray drive , WIFI, free PSN to counter XBL etc..

You can't deal with hypotheticals cause it doesn't exist in a bubble.


Sony or MS doesnt clain they beat each other ever, thats just everyone else who does that. All IM saying is one sells faster than the other and has alwasy done so. Either way X 360 is the moral winner even if in 2/3 years time PS3 is like 2 millions ahead, cause MS came from almost nothing and went to eating away a hughe chunk of Sonys market. 



Dark Chaos said:
DakonBlackblade said:
sales2099 said:
DakonBlackblade said:

The PS3 has always outsold the X1 by a fairly large margin, its not rocket sience, 1 year less in the market and the same total sales, PS3 has always sold faster. I dont know why ppl look at total sales of consoles that didnt launch at the same year. Its lthe same deal with the WiiU and the ONe, saying the WiiU is ahead is not right the XOne sells a lot faster than the WiiU ever did, launches need ot be aligned.

Except that is making an unfair industry fair, which alters reality. This is an industry where head starts count and aligned launches are only done by the losing fan faction to save face. WiiU got a head start and reaped that year of sales benefits. Now X1 has its work cut out for it to take 2nd. There is no compensation system in the industry. You have to make your own way, there is no unified start date.

It only counts if the 360 stays in the market for 1 year more than the PS3 otherwise it doesnt. Again not rocket sience 1 year less to sell the same amount = better sales.

No one uses this sort of calculating. Even SONY doesn't publish statements proclaiming beating the 360 if launches are aligned. Apple doesn't do it.  SONY and MS deal with actual numbers not hypothetical fake comparisons. If you can find a statement with SONY talking about your argument I will agree.

Do you see Apple doing this when discussing IPHONE sales or Samsung with Galaxys sales?


Plus launching a year later allowed Sony to include a more powerful system with a Bluray drive , WIFI, free PSN to counter XBL etc..

You can't deal with hypotheticals cause it doesn't exist in a bubble.


I believe that the Blu ray drive and wi-fi were already a given. It takes time to make things more robust. Free PSN was definitely there to counter XBL. Let's not forget the trophies after Xbox had achievements.



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Dark Chaos said:
BMaker11 said:

according to official shipments, PS3 surpassed Xbox 360 back in December 2012. Factor in how padded the 360s numbers are due to multiple purchases via RROD, and the PS3 surpassed it way before that. Not "officially", because only shipments and sold-through numbers matter to investors, but unofficially in the sense that more people own PS3s worldwide than 360s


So you have no facts to back this outlandish statement? Here is a fact,  MS doesn't count RROD units.


How? How is this a fact? they offered a warrenty of 3 years on all original models of the Xbox that was in 2006, once 2009 had passed all original models which eventually passed away to RRoD could either be sent back to be repaired which cost 150euros + postage here in Ireland or you could buy a newer Xbox slim which cost around 250euros here.

Here is the thing, How is the second sale not counted by Microsoft as a sold unit? Do you think that every Xbox360 sold since 2009 came with a form which you needed to fill out stating that you had already bought a system and this was going to be a replacement for faulty hardware so they could keep track of which consoles would count as sales?



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Dark Chaos said:
BMaker11 said:

according to official shipments, PS3 surpassed Xbox 360 back in December 2012. Factor in how padded the 360s numbers are due to multiple purchases via RROD, and the PS3 surpassed it way before that. Not "officially", because only shipments and sold-through numbers matter to investors, but unofficially in the sense that more people own PS3s worldwide than 360s


So you have no facts to back this outlandish statement? Here is a fact,  MS doesn't count RROD units.

What in the shit are you talking about? No facts? PS3 surpassed 360 in worldwide shipments back in December 2012. And if I buy a 360 right now, that counts as a sale. If it RRODs or fails otherwise, and I go out and buy another unit....MS won't count it as another sale? How will they differentiate between buying one for replacing a bricked Xbox or if I'm buying one as a completely new customer. Would I have to fill out some survey that says "I'm buying a new console because my old one broke"?

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