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Disk space was not the biggest problem thanks to compression, Starcraft 64 and Resident Evil 2 N64 prove that even pre-rendered backgrounds and full motion video was possible on the N64.

The biggest problem was production costs, CDs were cheap to produce and you didn't need to invest millions of dollars to produce a game without knowing if it will be a success or not. N64 cartridges were highly expensive and a major risk on the other hand. If the game didn't sell too well the developer / publisher would have made a much bigger loss and much larger sales numbers were needed in order to be profitable.

With games like Final Fantasy 64 and Dragon Quest 64, on the SNES CD drive made by Sony, the Playstation would not have come to existence.



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We should be happy the PlayStation is here now.

There is much more variation in the console market with more then one console.

The more consoles you have the more competition there is

And competition is a good thing for consumers.



justinian said:
From what I gathered the cartridge pissed off developers because of cost and they only held from 4MB up to 48MB.

Sony was new to the market yet got the lion share of games.

The problem with CDs at that time was that they scratched easily.

The Carts also introduced very early onboard flash memory. Since it was 1997, that was massivly expensive. Which is why games like Pokemon Stadium was $120 retail. And why they created the memory pak for companies to lower the costs on them. One way, thinking ahead. Another, stupid as hell.



XanderXT said:
Would the PlayStation have been a flop? Would Sega still be making consoles? Would Microsoft have joined the console wars? Note: When I mean discs, I mean CDs


What the hell. How could the PS1 have been a flop when it was already above 20 million while the N64 had 0 consoles sold? The N64 didnt flop because it used cartridges, it failed because the PS1 was so dominant.



Turkish said:
XanderXT said:
Would the PlayStation have been a flop? Would Sega still be making consoles? Would Microsoft have joined the console wars? Note: When I mean discs, I mean CDs


What the hell. How could the PS1 have been a flop when it was already above 20 million while the N64 had 0 consoles sold? The N64 didnt flop because it used cartridges, it failed because the PS1 was so dominant.


Pretty sure your numbers are off there. Playstation had a pretty slow start. 



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archer9234 said:
justinian said:
From what I gathered the cartridge pissed off developers because of cost and they only held from 4MB up to 48MB.

Sony was new to the market yet got the lion share of games.

The problem with CDs at that time was that they scratched easily.

The Carts also introduced very early onboard flash memory. Since it was 1997, that was massivly expensive. Which is why games like Pokemon Stadium was $120 retail. And why they created the memory pak for companies to lower the costs on them. One way, thinking ahead. Another, stupid as hell.


That's exactly what I meant.

The thing was also expensive to program.

The opinion of the chief hardware guy should also be taken into account and he admitted that there were many mistakes made with the hardware design of the N64.



justinian said:
archer9234 said:
justinian said:
From what I gathered the cartridge pissed off developers because of cost and they only held from 4MB up to 48MB.

Sony was new to the market yet got the lion share of games.

The problem with CDs at that time was that they scratched easily.

The Carts also introduced very early onboard flash memory. Since it was 1997, that was massivly expensive. Which is why games like Pokemon Stadium was $120 retail. And why they created the memory pak for companies to lower the costs on them. One way, thinking ahead. Another, stupid as hell.


That's exactly what I meant.

The thing was also expensive to program.

The opinion of the chief hardware guy should also be taken into account and he admitted that there were many mistakes made with the hardware design of the N64.

Totally. The damn carts all have metal RF shields and fancy plastic end covers for the cart connector hole from dust getting inside. rediculess to have all that stuff in a cartrage. The designers went with the "Porche" factor, VS consumer friendly.



Probably Nintendo 64 had been a good console instead.



Soundwave said:
They would've routed Sony in that case. Mario 64, Final Fantasy VII/VIII/IX, Dragon Quest VII, GoldenEye, Zelda: OoT, and many EA/Capcom/Konami multiplats?

Game over.

It's the dumbest decision Nintendo's ever made. I get dropping Sony as the CD provider, but Philips was perfectly willing to supply them with CD drives and so were like probably 10 other companies.

To go cart only and then waste years on the 64DD which barely got a release in Japan was in a lot of ways an even worse decision than the Virtual Boy. The Virtual Boy at least you could sweep it under the rug, the N64 cart-CD debacle I honestly think still impacts Nintendo negatively to this day. They were never the same company after that.

LMAO no ,juts no leabve it to nintendo fans to once again proclaim nintendo god and sony only doing well because nintendo messed up. Sony had jhuge third party support would still have done very well.



All these FF "masterpieces" like FFVIII and FFXIII would also be on Nintendo systems!



                
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