I wasn't trying to start a discussion or debate or whatever. I wasn't even comparing the two games in any way. I was making a remark about the console war bias that goes on in this forum and the internet. I don't even know if FH2 will be 30fps, just pointing out the possibility of certain people having to eat crow if it is.

Actually the game looked very good in both photo mode and actual gameplay. Let's wait till friday before we really call bullshot.

What? How can *you* tell?

But it's not that Horizon didn't deliver in 2013... Definitely one of the best looking racers if not *the* best of last gen.

Perhaps because people actually played Horizon 1 and felt the special treatment PG did to the input delay?

It's all what people assume. People were automatically assuming the worst when H2 was known to be cross-gen. Now we know that there are 2 separate teams with 2 seperate engines.

Of course one could assume that DC does also handle input delay specially. But why assume the worst for one game and the best for the other?

At least for H2 which has a predecessor it is almost safe to assume the input delay is considered again while the other game there is no info considering this that I know of so why assume it?

Yea, these games do look great, but I just feel car games especially overdid it with the bull shot/CG avertising. They are at a point where there is pretty much no room for improvement anymore, so why should the customer buy the next racing game in 3 years or one for the next console in 6-8years if going by the "screenshots" there is no difference in quality?

I believe you didn't read the article on IGN where they say:

"“We believe next gen beauty isn’t about poly counts,” says Fulton. “It’s not about texture resolution. Those are last-gen concepts. Next-gen beauty is about light.”

“It’s about light and how it plays on every surface in the world. How it reacts to them. How it scatters from them. It’s about the way sunlight glints on the bodywork of a car. It’s about the way the entire world reflects back at you from the surface of a puddle in a cobbled street.

“It’s about really revealing those imperfections that make something feel real. I’m talking about the minute scratches on a brake disc. I’m talking about the flaky paint and rusted metal of an old barn door. That’s what next-gen beauty is.”"

It looked good, just not as good as the trailers and screenshots pre game. I remember being initially disappointed with the graphics, but got used to it and still found plenty great looking vistas. It was a mixed bag.

I'll be very skeptical with everything shown at E3. The only thing that affects my buying decision for FH2 is map size and gameplay variety anyway. It's going to look good to great regardless. Dunno why they always need to oversell the graphics.

DC is better, but I still fapped to it.