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vivster said:

Mertesacker doesn't have to be fast. He just needs to be tall and strong for the high crosses. Like he has always been. Hummels is the perfect addition to him. Do you really want to see Höwedes against Messi?


I think Howedes will do fine if Maria isn't fit in time.

Boatang and Hummels will be the ones covering messi for most of the game. 

Khedria will also help on him.  They should be able to keep him quite for the most part. 

I think Germany wins if Neuer makes the saves when he is called upon.

I would like to see Argentina win the match though. 



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RolStoppable said:
S.Peelman said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:
How about skip extra time and go straight for the penalty shoot out? 90 minutes is long enough. Why put players through 30 minutes of extra time?

Yes. I always say that. Or at least bring back the Golden Goal.

I disagree. The 30 additional minutes give teams that want to win an extra chance before going into the dreaded penalty shootouts. And in a case like yesterday where both teams didn't want to win, they get punished with another 30 minutes.

The Golden Goal sucks because it was counterproductive to its intent. Instead of teams going for the instant kill, they defended even more in order to not suffer a sudden death. The Silver Goal was equally useless, hence why both rules got shelved quickly.

The Silver Goal was useless, but of the matches I saw back when they still had the Golden Goal rule (mostly I remember a couple from France '98) it at least made it a bit more tense, and the rest of overtime was spared on all of us if someone scored. And spared on the team that really wanted to win when they scored. Today, extra time usually is boring to no end and I just want it to be over already. Teams that aim for the penalty shootout have always been around, it makes little difference imo.



Fifa rankings Portugal was 4th and Brazil was 3rd. Argentina should be an easy win considering Germany beat Portugal by 4 goals and Brazil by 6 goals respectively. Argentina are currently ranked 5 according to Fifa rankings. 5 goal win for Germany sounds about right! Germany looks invincible and has scored 18 goals from 6 matches. I do not see Germany losing for quite a while. Euro 2016 and World Cup 2018 also look like they have Germany's name written all over them. Three titles in a row: 2 World Cups and a Euro in between to beat Spain's impressive two Euros and WC won between 2008 to 2012.



5 goals inside 30 minutes was German Blitzkreig.  Germany has humilated quality top sides but struggled when playing against lower ranked teams.



RolStoppable said:

As if it was important to cut a game by 5-20 minutes short. And, you know, a trailing team desperately trying to score the equalizer makes extra time more reliably more exciting than the Golden Goal rule could ever hope for. The time without a goal is the biggest concern and Golden Goal made that worse.

Teams that want to advance via a penalty shootout should have to go through an exhausting extra time. You are basically saying that teams that play like shit should be rewarded for their scum tactics. With extra time, their chances to pull it off another time in the same tournament decrease.

I agree no extra time at all is probably not the best idea, but isn't a reward for playing like shit precisely what a team gets with a second chance in a penalty shootout after holding out in extra time? A Golden Goal would prevent that while rewarding the attacking team with a shorter effort. The other team in my eyes forfeited their right to equalize again the moment the match was allowed to go into extra time. Equalizers are for regular time.

When both teams play like shit or don't like yesterday then yes, they deserve to suffer .



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Dark_Lord_2008 said:

Fifa rankings Portugal was 4th and Brazil was 3rd. Argentina should be an easy win considering Germany beat Portugal by 4 goals and Brazil by 6 goals respectively. Argentina are currently ranked 5 according to Fifa rankings. 5 goal win for Germany sounds about right! Germany looks invincible and has scored 18 goals from 6 matches. I do not see Germany losing for quite a while. Euro 2016 and World Cup 2018 also look like they have Germany's name written all over them. Three titles in a row: 2 World Cups and a Euro in between to beat Spain's impressive two Euros and WC won between 2008 to 2012.

LOL. 

Portugal never were any good... it's Cristano Ronaldo and 10 guys on a pitch.

They needed a playoff to get to the World Cup... they are top 20 at best xD.

Fifa rankings are broken.  Do you think England is worthy of the 10 spot?  Switzerland 5?? 

Yeah, Germany humiliated a emotionally broke down Brazil side which gave up after 10 mins. 

But to say Germany is going to score 5 on Argentina is ridiculous. 

Argentina has one of the best defensives at the tournament. 

They derailed the Belgium hype train, and made robben look lost.



vivster said:
Lafiel said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:

Penalty shoot outs are best and fairest way to decide winner and loser from drawn match. Penalty shoot out should be used to decide drawn matches, shoot out adds to the drama and excitement of the match.

in a league/group set up it's unfair to the teams that actually manage to win within the 90 minutes to have a pen shoot out to decide drawn matches

Really?

Do you really think the other teams are jealous that they couldn't play 120 minutes and have an easy penalty shootout instead of ending a game on time without luck deciding over their fate?

Winners of a penalty shootout are as much deserved as any other victorious team.

I very specifically said "in a league/group set up", because it seemed to me that Dark_Lord wanted penalties for normal games, which I think is bad, because in football it's an achivement to win over your opponent in 90 minutes and that should be rewarded - if all games were decided by penalties the game would probably become even more defensive, especially in the lower regions of the table, as you get a pretty much 50% chance to win by just putting all your men in the back.

By the way, officially teams that won penalty shoot outs didn't win the football match, it's a draw.



RolStoppable said:
S.Peelman said:

I agree no extra time at all is probably not the best idea, but isn't a reward for playing like shit precisely what a team gets with a second chance in a penalty shootout after holding out in extra time? A Golden Goal would prevent that while rewarding the attacking team with a shorter effort. The other team in my eyes forfeited their right to equalize again the moment the match was allowed to go into extra time. Equalizers are for regular time.

When both teams play like shit or don't like yesterday then yes, they deserve to suffer  

The penalty shootout after 120 minutes is a necessary evil, because there has to be a winner at some point and you can't let teams play forever. The Golden Goal rule doesn't prevent a reward for playing like shit, because it requires a goal to be scored; if a team that plays like shit doesn't concede a goal, then it doesn't matter whether or not there is a Golden Goal rule.

Yes, of course. I'm certainly not against the penalty shootout .

The Golden Goal rewards the attacking team if they manage to score. I only feel that's fairer than having them ride out the entirety of the rest of the extra time.



vivster said:

Same exact one was used when we kicked Spain's ass with 5-1



Well, there goes my prediction score. I bet on Netherlands from the beginning, yet again to see them lose in heart breaking fashion.