| LurkerJ said: Man City can definitely win this. Toure needs to be subbed! He is not even walking. But who is gonna replace him? Ronaldo is risking an injury. |
To me it looks like Toure is the only one from City actually trying to do something at some point lol
Wyrdness said:
Your rebuttal made no sense not because it got your point over but because it literally makes no sense especially in the context of the argument, the sport is different now because of the rules a point you're either having trouble understanding or just trying to side step for the sake of your argument much like society now is different because of laws that were implemented. Your response unfortunately for you in attempting to try and debunk it completely fell flat on it's face as not only does it fail to address the fact that the current conditions are the result of the rules it literally comes across as a dumb response from someone trying to be smart and that's not an insult by the way that's how it comes across. The rule does its job as you have admitted and to top it off it doesn't change much as far as playing on the pitch goes, what it does is that it takes into account head to head performance. If a team wins 1-0 at home but loses 4-3 away overall across both legs they were better and that's what it comes down to, this in itself forces teams to perform over both legs because the away goals count towards performance much like in Boxing every punch counts even if it doesn't knock out or hurt the other boxer. I find it more funny you think teams would not park the bus especially in the modern era when teams like Atleti, Chelsea and even Bayern themselves in a previous era had numerous success with such tactics to grind out wins. An away goal counts towards performance that's why teams go for it otherwise they wouldn't risk much going away and would bank it all on home results. Many of these players and managers aren't out to entertain you or progress the game which I suspect is your thinking here, they're out to make money and be paid like Ronaldo and Rooney so they can live the George Best life even if it means grinding out dull results to bring in more money. |
Sport is different now for many reasons, tactics evolve, player development, training methods, diet etc along with convenient travelling and such make it easier for teams to play away compared to what it was when the rule was set. Original reason for it was away matches being so hard to play teams would just defend, I think home advance is not so significant anymore. You're the one coming up with all the society and mentality nonsense. There is no need for the rule anymore and I'm surely not the only one with this opinion.
Your second opinion on the other hand is very valid, but like I wrote before, I think goals scored should be the deciding factor, not consistency. Teams might have to play their away matches in different conditions, goal = goal is fair game. Like boxing, every hit should count but all the hits being equal in points. Because like I said, I don't like the idea of rule forcing tactics to score more goals than opponent when it's in fact a tie. I wrote before, when teams are happy with 0-0 home result, something is off. Their opponent is at disadvantage despite making good job at keeping clean sheets at away game they had to play first.
Teams already play defensively or park the bus in certain situations and maybe they would grind out results a bit more, On the other hand, there still hasn't been the ultimate tactic to win and it evolves. Once PtB is effectively countered, it's time for something else to succeed. I would be interested to try it and see how it goes, you come off as you know the truth of how it would play out. Don't worry about my entertainment, I'm good watching PtB tactics even if I don't like it 😋
leyendax69 said:
To me it looks like Toure is the only one from City actually trying to do something at some point lol |
Honestly Man City is playing horribly. Slow with a defeated spirit. They only need to sting once, it's not impossible.
Make some Subs already, Pellegrini!!
There's really no urgency to this City display.
They need Iheanacho or Sterling on. Bit of pace, liven things up and give Aguero something to work with.
That Ronaldo goal would have made Maradona's hand of god look like hand of noob 😆
| KiigelHeart said: Sport is different now for many reasons, tactics evolve, player development, training methods, diet etc along with convenient travelling and such make it easier for teams to play away compared to what it was when the rule was set. Original reason for it was away matches being so hard to play teams would just defend, I think home advance is not so significant anymore. You're the one coming up with all the society and mentality nonsense. There is no need for the rule anymore and I'm surely not the only one with this opinion. Your second opinion on the other hand is very valid, but like I wrote before, I think goals scored should be the deciding factor, not consistency. Teams might have to play their away matches in different conditions, goal = goal is fair game. Like boxing, every hit should count but all the hits being equal in points. Because like I said, I don't like the idea of rule forcing tactics to score more goals than opponent when it's in fact a tie. I wrote before, when teams are happy with 0-0 home result, something is off. Their opponent is at disadvantage despite making good job at keeping clean sheets at away game they had to play first. Teams already play defensively or park the bus in certain situations and maybe they would grind out results a bit more, On the other hand, there still hasn't been the ultimate tactic to win and it evolves. Once PtB is effectively countered, it's time for something else to succeed. I would be interested to try it and see how it goes, you come off as you know the truth of how it would play out. Don't worry about my entertainment, I'm good watching PtB tactics even if I don't like it 😋 |
Tactics evolve because of changes in the games like this rule, playing away from home is still just as hard as before, the reasons most teams attempt any type of offence is because now the's a risk if they're trying to bank it on home performance and the away goal is a strong mark towards the performance count, it's the most important goal scored outside of a international tournament as a result and becomes a carrot in forcing teams out their shells.
It's a tie in goals scored but not in performance though, fact is if you don't want to lose because of an away goal you have to perform well over two legs and that's what it comes down to. The point in Boxing is that the hits in boxing are equal in points but not how they're thrown, Mayweather is one of the most hated boxers because he mastered the art of the sport in this regard dodging hits while landing them as opposed to brawling like some of his opponents try to. The away goal like it or not is one of football's equivalent to this, a bigger stronger Boxer will have the weight and power advantage much like the home team have the home advantage, the other Boxer knows his punches still count despite his disadvatage much like the away team knows their goal counts to their performance. I'd understand your view more if it was only one leg played but since both teams get the chance at benefitting from it I see little issue tbh.
More teams would PtB away that's what it comes down to as that's what the rule discourages, same way that if the weren't rules like last man gets a red card if he commits a foul in a goal scoring opportunity the would be more fouls in those situations, same way that if the wasn't the offside rule more play would be long ball to someone up the field. It may suck to go out due to the rule but it has its place.
LurkerJ said:
Honestly Man City is playing horribly. Slow with a defeated spirit. They only need to sting once, it's not impossible. Make some Subs already, Pellegrini!! |
Honestly I don't see City doing anything against Atletico, Real has the best chances if Bale & CR7 are at 100% for the finals. So for a better last match I hope they pass
| kowenicki said: I'm predicting THE worst final ever, with a shit load of diving, cheating, time wasting and belly aching. Its inevitable. |
That already happened with AC Milan vs Juventus at Old Trafford.
Yaya Toure just sealed his move away from Man City at least.
How a player can put so little effort into a champions league semi final I have no idea. Jesus, what a monumental prick.
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