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fedfed on 23 May 2014

they both will pass it



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Seece on 23 May 2014
tbone51 said:
Seece said:
tbone51 said:

TBH, There is a chance tht WiiU will surpass Vita this year, but only if Sony doesn't do anything betterthan last year for the second half of the year.

We have WiiU about right here (maybe 10k-50k overtracked), but with vita it should be heavily overtracked (nothing like 3ds million Overtracked, but maybe somewhere between 200k-500k).

As for Kinectless X1, definitely but not anytime soon. Its at 0 and it would need to sell 10mil+ which isnt happening anytime soon.

No there isn't. According to Nintendo, WiiU isn't even going to hit 9.5m sell through by the end of this year (and they overestimate a lot). PSV is at 8.2m, did 2.2m~ from June - December last year. It can drop to half that and still hit 9.5m.

http://www.vgchartz.com/tools/hw_yoy.php?reg=Global&start_year=2012&end_year=2014&console=PSV

It's trending similar to last year so far as well.



ok but does that mean wiiu is set in stone to be under that? No. Like I said Vita is overtracked here by quite alot. They both by years end can end between 9.0mil-11mil, if the companies push hard enough.

Just cuz one expectations are this number, they might just do that to make themselves look better, it has happened many times before in different situations. Ex: MH4 was expected to sell 2.5mil units in 6 months, it did that in 3 or 4 weeks.

"It's trending similar to last year so far as well." Its good to look at info such as this but dont forget, little things can change. remember 3DS in Apr?

Oh you're wheeling out that "It's not a fact therefore anything can happen" line, incredibly weak retoric, get something new. How do you know Vita is overtracked? And by how much?

Just because Capcom (obviously) underestimated something, doesn't mean Nintendo have. They've overestimated Wii/WiiU hardware for as long as I can remember now, of course Nintendo fans think 3.5m is low with Mario Kart, but then they've constantly been proved wrong on WiiU hardware sales. That 3.5m is still a rise of like 40% yoy (will have to check the figures) so expecting more than that based on your expectations of MK alone, because not even Nintendo are agreeing with you this time, is like I said, weak. But hey, WiiU might be bundled with fridges right? WE JUST DON'T KNOW!!!!

3DS was 106, I predicted 70 - 90k, are you really claiming this is anything of note? if 3DS had done something dramatic then yes, but no.



 

Mr Puggsly on 23 May 2014

Wii U will pass the Vita thanks to much better support. Unless Sony does something significant with the Vita, it could happen this holiday.

Kinect sales depend on how well MS supports it.



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Jizz_Beard_thePirate on 23 May 2014

We will see after mario kart and e3 but I say yes by December 31 2014



                  

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Nintentacle on 23 May 2014

Wii U, since that always sells way better tha Vita in the holidays.



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Nintentacle on 23 May 2014
Seece said:
drake_tolu said:
Wii U safe at 99,9999999%
XO Kinect i don't think, for me XO will sold 50,000,000.
And only 15,000,000 buy a Kinect
For me PSVita sold minimum 20,000,000, maximum 25,000,000.

How exactly and at what point do you expect WiiU to start selling something like 8m a year?

Add to that, Nintendo consoles have not had the best of legs for a long long time.

Uhm...

2012 - 2 million

2013 - 3 million

2014 - 5 million

2015 - 7 million

2016 - 4 million

2017 - 3 million

Total: 24 million

And then taking into account the hundred thousands It's realistic to say Wii U can hit 25 million.



tbone51 on 23 May 2014
Seece said:
tbone51 said:
Seece said:



ok but does that mean wiiu is set in stone to be under that? No. Like I said Vita is overtracked here by quite alot. They both by years end can end between 9.0mil-11mil, if the companies push hard enough.

Just cuz one expectations are this number, they might just do that to make themselves look better, it has happened many times before in different situations. Ex: MH4 was expected to sell 2.5mil units in 6 months, it did that in 3 or 4 weeks.

"It's trending similar to last year so far as well." Its good to look at info such as this but dont forget, little things can change. remember 3DS in Apr?



Just because Capcom (obviously) underestimated something, doesn't mean Nintendo have. They've overestimated Wii/WiiU hardware for as long as I can remember now, of course Nintendo fans think 3.5m is low with Mario Kart, but then they've constantly been proved wrong on WiiU hardware sales. That 3.5m is still a rise of like 40% yoy (will have to check the figures) so expecting more than that based on your expectations of MK alone, because not even Nintendo are agreeing with you this time, is like I said, weak. But hey, WiiU might be bundled with fridges right? WE JUST DON'T KNOW!!!!

3DS was 106, I predicted 70 - 90k, are you really claiming this is anything of note? if 3DS had done something dramatic then yes, but no.


"3DS was 106, I predicted 70 - 90k, are you really claiming this is anything of note? if 3DS had done something dramatic then yes, but no."

You were dead wrong, nuff said. As for Capcom , they didnt underestimate it, they knew, they had freaking 1.5mil in pre orders, they obviously did that on purpose.

"Oh you're wheeling out that "It's not a fact therefore anything can happen" line, incredibly weak retoric, get something new. How do you know Vita is overtracked? And by how much? "

Thats not incredibly weak lmao, its not set in stone. Expectations can be broke, its happened many times before. So pls stop trying to say that cuz somebody doesn't agree with you they are wrong.

Anywayz for vita being overtracked, i showed you a long time ago in US it was over 130k at LEAST from comparing NPD+VGC numbers (i did it for 3ds as well and it was 500k overtracked at LEAST). Also looking at shipments and sold for psp+vita, in comparison vgc had it sold i think about 10mil-11mil in the past 2 years (psp was still doing good in 2012, take it into consideration) and shipped numbers exceeded 13mil in 2 fiscal years



Seece on 23 May 2014
Nintentacle said:
Seece said:
drake_tolu said:
Wii U safe at 99,9999999%
XO Kinect i don't think, for me XO will sold 50,000,000.
And only 15,000,000 buy a Kinect
For me PSVita sold minimum 20,000,000, maximum 25,000,000.

How exactly and at what point do you expect WiiU to start selling something like 8m a year?

Add to that, Nintendo consoles have not had the best of legs for a long long time.

Uhm...

2012 - 2 million

2013 - 3 million

2014 - 5 million

2015 - 7 million

2016 - 4 million

2017 - 3 million

Total: 24 million

And then taking into account the hundred thousands It's realistic to say Wii U can hit 25 million.

Ugh, no, they expect 3.5m sell through for 2014. And rising again in the 4th year? Has never happened for a Nintendo system in the last 2 decades AFAIK. That retention rate of sales is absurd, go check out how Gamecube and Wii fared. Even Wii struggled in its full 5th year (2011) shipping far below any previous year, yet you expect it to be on par/better than anything we've seen during its prime.

Go and RESEARCH.



 

Seece on 23 May 2014
tbone51 said:
Seece said:
tbone51 said:
Seece said:



ok but does that mean wiiu is set in stone to be under that? No. Like I said Vita is overtracked here by quite alot. They both by years end can end between 9.0mil-11mil, if the companies push hard enough.

Just cuz one expectations are this number, they might just do that to make themselves look better, it has happened many times before in different situations. Ex: MH4 was expected to sell 2.5mil units in 6 months, it did that in 3 or 4 weeks.

"It's trending similar to last year so far as well." Its good to look at info such as this but dont forget, little things can change. remember 3DS in Apr?



Just because Capcom (obviously) underestimated something, doesn't mean Nintendo have. They've overestimated Wii/WiiU hardware for as long as I can remember now, of course Nintendo fans think 3.5m is low with Mario Kart, but then they've constantly been proved wrong on WiiU hardware sales. That 3.5m is still a rise of like 40% yoy (will have to check the figures) so expecting more than that based on your expectations of MK alone, because not even Nintendo are agreeing with you this time, is like I said, weak. But hey, WiiU might be bundled with fridges right? WE JUST DON'T KNOW!!!!

3DS was 106, I predicted 70 - 90k, are you really claiming this is anything of note? if 3DS had done something dramatic then yes, but no.


"3DS was 106, I predicted 70 - 90k, are you really claiming this is anything of note? if 3DS had done something dramatic then yes, but no."

You were dead wrong, nuff said. As for Capcom , they didnt underestimate it, they knew, they had freaking 1.5mil in pre orders, they obviously did that on purpose.

Not really, you're clinging onto that with no actual purpose to try and prop up your weak arguments.

"Oh you're wheeling out that "It's not a fact therefore anything can happen" line, incredibly weak retoric, get something new. How do you know Vita is overtracked? And by how much? "

Thats not incredibly weak lmao, its not set in stone. Expectations can be broke, its happened many times before. So pls stop trying to say that cuz somebody doesn't agree with you they are wrong.

But you are wrong, a lot.

Anywayz for vita being overtracked, i showed you a long time ago in US it was over 130k at LEAST from comparing NPD+VGC numbers (i did it for 3ds as well and it was 500k overtracked at LEAST). Also looking at shipments and sold for psp+vita, in comparison vgc had it sold i think about 10mil-11mil in the past 2 years (psp was still doing good in 2012, take it into consideration) and shipped numbers exceeded 13mil in 2 fiscal years

I Actually just checked Vita LTD according to NPD, VGChartz is spot on. Both have it around 1.75m. You have no idea of the PSV/PSP splits in shipments, and no idea how PSP and Vita have sold around the world, you're basically just wanting Vita to be overtracked, thus it is in your opinion, literally nothing backs up what you say.

Tbone, at this point you really are just wasting both our time with your incredibly poor straw man arguments and "lol facts". SMH.



 

Nintentacle on 23 May 2014
Seece said:
Nintentacle said:
Seece said:
drake_tolu said:
Wii U safe at 99,9999999%
XO Kinect i don't think, for me XO will sold 50,000,000.
And only 15,000,000 buy a Kinect
For me PSVita sold minimum 20,000,000, maximum 25,000,000.

How exactly and at what point do you expect WiiU to start selling something like 8m a year?

Add to that, Nintendo consoles have not had the best of legs for a long long time.

Uhm...

2012 - 2 million

2013 - 3 million

2014 - 5 million

2015 - 7 million

2016 - 4 million

2017 - 3 million

Total: 24 million

And then taking into account the hundred thousands It's realistic to say Wii U can hit 25 million.

Ugh, no, they expect 3.5m sell through for 2014.

Even if Wii U sells the same as last year, Mario Kart and Smash Bros. will boost sales more than 300k this year.

That retention rate of sales is absurd

And you expect Wii U to sell the same amount as last year...

go check out how Gamecube and Wii fared.

The market is different than it was, if you haven't noticed.

Even Wii struggled in its full 5th year (2011) shipping far below any previous year, yet you expect it to be on par/better than anything we've seen during its prime.

It can be on par because the sales are really low.