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Munkeh111 on 22 February 2008

Also, I assume that engine costs are quite large, and ND will be able to use a modified version of this engine for their next game too



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weezy on 22 February 2008

super nerd

a nerd ranking, a nerd with far more superior powers than an average nerd and respected by other nerds. meaning a nerd that has a extremely high level of intellect and rejected socially

or a geek that became a nerd but is more annoying and talks about computers all the time.

nerds hang around each other for protection and to fit in while super nerds are much more rare and are alone most of the time until that is a bully comes






http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=super+nerd


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kingofwale on 22 February 2008
weezy said:
@kingofwale
Then only super nerds would overrun this forum...we wouldnt want that now would we ?

:)

 well, but in equal trade-off, we would actually have people who KNOW what they are talking about for once. ;)

 Maybe a simple test would do.

 What is Mario:

A: handsome young man who lost his memory

B: ex-con who leads a group of men to rescue earth

C: plumber who never gets any

D: none of the above.

 :)



Soriku (Feb 10/08): In 5 years the PS3/360 will be dead.

KH3 bet: "If KH3 comes to Wii exclusive, I will take a 1 month of sig/avatar by otheres open a thread apologize and praise you guys' brilliance." http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?start=50&id=18379
Original cast: Badonkadonkhr, sc94597 allaboutthegames885, kingofwale, Soriku, ctk495, skeezer, RDBRaptor, Mirson,

Episode 1: OOPSY!
selnor: Too Human I even expect 3-4 mill entire life and 500,000 first day. GoW2 ( expect 7 - 9 million entire life and over 2 mill first day), Fable 2 (expect 5-6 million entire life and 1.5 mill fist day) BK3 (expect 4 - 5 mill sales entire life and 1 mill first day).. Tales/IU/TLR should get to 2 or 3 million! post id: 868878
Episode 2:
Letsdance: FFXIII (PS3+360) first week in NA = 286K
According to pre-order rate in week 13 (post id: 2902544)
Bodhesatva on 22 February 2008
phil said:
Bodhesatva said:

This is a classic debating tactic.

First, you insist that your "opponent" has claimed some ridiculously high (or low) statistic.

Then, you show that the actual value of that statistic is lower than the ridiculous claim.

"Some people claim that over a million people die each year due to gun related violence in the US. In reality, it's less than two hundred thousand!"

 

 

This makes it look your figure is actually low, when it's only low in comparison to some ridiculously high figure.

I don't think any reasonable person here thought that games were averaging 40 million, just that some of the higher end games did cost that much (such as Killzone2 and MGS4). I honestly don't know of anyone who thought this was the norm.

20 Million is very high, and puts the given estimates for copies needed to break even right where we've heard they are for higher end games: 700-1000k units. Sounds about right to me, and only further cements my perception that the PS3 is, indeed, very expensive to develop for.


Here's the problem: you aren't actually quoting any real statistics EITHER. All you're doing is saying "well, it's 2x the cost of development of a last generation game." Well no friggin crap. And it cost more to develop on PS2 than it did for PS1. Was it double the cost, I dunno, but logically, it's more.

So, if you're terribly interested in intellectual honesty, how about, instead of saying that you think it simply must be expensive, give us some statistics to back your point up, such as budgets for games of comparable quality for the PS3/360.


You seem to have missed my point.



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krik on 22 February 2008
tombi123 said:
I remember someone posting on here a while back, that the developers get about $24 for each game sold. That seems reasonable, so to break even on a $20M game, you need to sell: 833,333 copies.

Uncharted has sold 1,250,000 copies, meaning: $10,000,000 profit on this game so far.

I think Naughty Dog are making Uncharted a trilogy. The other two games will cost less, wont they?

 Let me answer this way. The next game is going to have a 2-year production cycle. They are hiring more people. So, it should cost more.

Anyway, they already made a shit load of money on this game. And they will be making more money for the next 2 years since Uncharted is the kind of game will be released as a "budget" title next year or so and it's still selling well.



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weezy on 22 February 2008
kingofwale said:
weezy said:
@kingofwale
Then only super nerds would overrun this forum...we wouldnt want that now would we ?

:)

 well, but in equal trade-off, we would actually have people who KNOW what they are talking about for once. ;)

 Maybe a simple test would do.

 What is Mario:

A: handsome young man who lost his memory

B: ex-con who leads a group of men to rescue earth

C: plumber who never gets any <----Kingofwale

D: none of the above.

 :)


what are you trying to tell us? : )

 

:)



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MynameisGARY

Munkeh111 on 22 February 2008
krik said:
tombi123 said:
I remember someone posting on here a while back, that the developers get about $24 for each game sold. That seems reasonable, so to break even on a $20M game, you need to sell: 833,333 copies.

Uncharted has sold 1,250,000 copies, meaning: $10,000,000 profit on this game so far.

I think Naughty Dog are making Uncharted a trilogy. The other two games will cost less, wont they?

 Let me answer this way. The next game is going to have a 2-year production cycle. They are hiring more people. So, it should cost more.

Anyway, they already made a shit load of money on this game. And they will be making more money for the next 2 years since Uncharted is the kind of game will be released as a "budget" title next year or so and it's still selling well.

Haven't they said that they will have similar production cycles to the PS2 era, which was 2 years, then a 1 year gap for the rest of the time, so we should see Uncharted 2 in 09, then hopefully Jak 4 in 10

 



krik on 22 February 2008
fkusumot said:
krik said:
DMeisterJ said:
So uncharted has sold 1.25 million copies * sixty bucks a copy, equals 75 million in revenue? I mean, I know some of that goes to the store and Sony, but it basically made profit, right?

So with all of those "ZOMG Killzone 2 costs 50 million" threads will be quenced, so long as it sells ~2 million copies? cool.

Actually it all goes to Sony, Naughty Dog is owned by Sony...


 What's the source for your number of 20 million?


 Richard Lemarchand, the lead designer for Uncharted. At the end of the session during the Q&A, some guy asked him how much was the budget and he clearly answered $20M.



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Bodhesatva on 22 February 2008
krik said:
DMeisterJ said:
So uncharted has sold 1.25 million copies * sixty bucks a copy, equals 75 million in revenue? I mean, I know some of that goes to the store and Sony, but it basically made profit, right?

So with all of those "ZOMG Killzone 2 costs 50 million" threads will be quenced, so long as it sells ~2 million copies? cool.

Actually it all goes to Sony, Naughty Dog is owned by Sony...


No, not all. Retail take alone is ~15 dollars, let alone manufacturing, packaging, and distribution costs. 40 dollars would be a generous estimate. 

But this isn't just about Uncharted in particular, right? This was about PS3 development costs, and the profitability of said development. The fact that Sony happens to be the publisher in this specific case doesn't help other developers or publishers more generally. 

Naughty Dog happens to be owned by Sony who happens to make this console. What about developers who aren't also publishing their games? What about publishers who aren't making their own console? 

 



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CrazzyMan on 22 February 2008

Great! That will lead for a BRIGHT future of PS3 games! =)
AA games for 20 mln. $ ONLY. =)



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2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far