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Yeah.....no. Not a good idea. People should be more worried about why Sony is only outsourcing its television business rather than selling it off. Their mobile phones, while only taking a small portion of the smartphone market, are nevertheless doing well. Playstation managed to make a very small loss despite recently launching a new console. Their cameras are really good and Sony owns a huge marketshare in music. Why split off the good parts of Sony? -_-



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Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

More anti-Sony propoganda? 

2006: Sony's Gonna go bankrupt!

2008: Man, Sony's got no chance of surviving next year

2010: Sony give up its no use!

2012: Sony is bleeding money!

2014: Sony should just split apart

2016: Sony gonna go bankrupt

20XX: Oh, no Sony's got no chance!

You will get used to it, all the Sony goes bankrupt doom sayers. In the meantime I'll continue to buy games on the Playstation 3 and looking forward to buy a Playstation 4. #Satisfied customer 



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kowenicki said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

 

More anti-Sony propoganda? 

2006: Sony's Gonna go bankrupt!

2008: Man, Sony's got no chance of surviving next year

2010: Sony give up its no use!

2012: Sony is bleeding money!

2014: Sony should just split apart

2016: Sony gonna go bankrupt

20XX: Oh, no Sony's got no chance!

"anti sony propaganda"

Not really, just facts.  Those facts sure are hard to spin though, so I understand your frustration.

I never spin, I get dizzy to easily.

Sony's poor finacials are facts.

The endless stream of the opinions of those who think they know how the company should be run is propoganda.

Expecting PlayStation to be Sold off or do fine with out Sony is expecting s person to just be fine when their home has been torn down.

Until I hear it from the horse's mouth, this just looks like grasping.



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kowenicki said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
kowenicki said:

"anti sony propaganda"

Not really, just facts.  Those facts sure are hard to spin though, so I understand your frustration.

I never spin, I get dizzy to easily.

Sony's poor finacials are facts.

The endless stream of the opinions of those who think they know how the company should be run is propoganda.

Expecting PlayStation to be Sold off or do fine with out Sony is expecting s person to just be fine when their home has been torn down.

Until I hear it from the horse's mouth, this just looks like grasping.

Yeah... I've never said that, so save it for those that have.

I've read the thread.

The first three lines were a response to you're response specifically: spinning, facts, and propoganda.

The bolded was in response to many of the posts in this thread, in fact on the first page many have implied such.

As for the hypotheticals, my response to those is covered in the last line, since most of these predictions and probabilities have been rendered moot considering the company is still here.



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So um.......PS brand a separate company soon?

wathc later in 10 years the PS phone outselling the sony xperia lol.

but seriously....sony needs to stop loosing billions YEARLY.



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spemanig said:

The point was the 8th gen, not overall. The Playstation brand is not in a "great position" for the 8th gen.

My point still stands. Sony's 8th gen gaming devision is half failing. That is a fact.


Sigh.... and thats what you still refuse to get. There is nowhere in any sony financial statement that there is a reference to or for an "8th gen". That is just media and gamer talk. As far as sony as a company is concerned.... there is a Playstation division. That is the only fact there is. 8th gen? does not exist in sony's books. Playstation spends and makes a certain amount of money every year. Thats it. 

 



Intrinsic said:
spemanig said:

The point was the 8th gen, not overall. The Playstation brand is not in a "great position" for the 8th gen.

My point still stands. Sony's 8th gen gaming devision is half failing. That is a fact.


Sigh.... and thats what you still refuse to get. There is nowhere in any sony financial statement that there is a reference to or for an "8th gen". That is just media and gamer talk. As far as sony as a company is concerned.... there is a Playstation division. That is the only fact there is. 8th gen? does not exist in sony's books. Playstation spends and makes a certain amount of money every year. Thats it. 

 


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I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT SONY'S FINANCIAL STATEMENT. I was replying to a very specific post on this thread that said that sony's 8th gen gaming division in particular was in a "great position."



If Sony isn't making money in gaming why stay? If PS isn't making money who in their right mind would buy it? Sony should downsize to insurance only. Where else do they create profit?



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joeorc said:
 

Just because you want japan to be like the . West for mergers an acquisitions does not mean it will. You have been claiming for the all of last year Dan loeb, will get his way and that Sony will have no choice, and the board completely an quite handedly said with all the board members with each of board member all of them said no!

If this was to go to the japanese court again past history shows the court will side with the board 9 times out of 10.

 

Dealing with the market in japan is not like it is in the west. NO matter how much you wish it to be its not.

 

History's already shown this.


Nope.  Never once said that "Loeb will get his way"

I doubt he will.  The sony management are wedded to their one-sony dream.   But it may happen by default.  TV has already been spun off to die. PC's are gone.

One by one the consumer electronics will vanish. 

Spony is already sooo much smaller than it was just a few years ago and this will continue until the good bits (Music, Movies, Playstation and some none consumer electronics remain + insurance of course)

Well, i was wrong on that but you implied it!

"But may happen by Default"

what? I mean its one thing to try to sit there and say they will spin off parts of the company, but saying Sony will not be making electronics is just very wishful thinking! with the fact there is over 140+ billion in physical assets there is very unlikely any chance for Sony to sell off those kind of Assets in any short time frame, hell it cost's them in Billions to restructure, selling off those Assets means looking for companies willing to take off the part of the company @ a price Sony's Board is willing to divest themselves of, and that takes Time!

And for the fact some of those ASSETS ARE WORTH THE ASKING PRICE Sony is asking for, because if they were not, Sony would have been able to offload them already, not very many companies has the cash on hand to purchase the physical Asset that Sony has at the price they would ask for it, thus they are trying to wait it out, its classic "The Vultures" want to buy cheap because 3rd party "RATING COMPANIES" LOWER THE PERCIEVED VALUE OF SAID COMPANY SO AS TO BUY SUCH ASSETS CHEAP (BUY LOW SELL HIGH)

The very fact Dan Loeb asked for a starting bid of Sony's Entertainment assets for starting @ 20% shows exactly why they want to take that large of chunk out of control away from the board , the board told them to in a very polite manner No!

at this point , the fact that Sony's board is cutting out parts and down turn production shows they are in fact cutting where they in fact need too.

Sony employs over 138,000+ people mainly Japanese, they are and mostly looking out for those employed, Again the west has been trying this for over 40 d@mn years, again there is many times proof + that what works in the west does not work that way in japan, if it did this would not really be an issue, even under Abe's direction, the change to more west centric ways of the market is not anywhere where it would need to be in japan to make that type of change that you and many other's seem to be looking for to happen, past history shows that you are going to be waiting for a very long d@mn time, if ever!



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Arius Dion said:
If Sony isn't making money in gaming why stay? If PS isn't making money who in their right mind would buy it? Sony should downsize to insurance only. Where else do they create profit?

In my US economy class were talking about a matter very similar to this (Hershey pennsylvania).  Stakeholder vs Shareholder.  While I don't live in Japan, they seem to still live in a culture where the company values stakeholders.   If thats true its important for them to employ all the people they do.

its even more indepth than that, the very problem is that many japanese look at such companies such as Sony that helped rebuild "japan" the fact Sony was one of the companies there tohelp rebuild japan after WW2. To the many japanese that means Quite a bit, many employed japanese have friends and family that work there, the people in charge are mainly japanese, and since the west centric Holding Hedge fund's are not japanese, many view those as pretty much non viable to dictate direction of said Japanese company, even if the west centric Holdings may be able to run the company better.

Thats just the way they view it, its not really an issue of the Money its the issue of culture. and until that changes it will not change!



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