JPL78 said:
Okay, well I still don't think you should just completely put a networks decision to cancel a show on DVR users. As far as my experience goes most DVR users wouldn't be watching most of what they watch if it wasn't for the ability to record it. So as far as I'm concerned those are just extra viewers the providers wouldn't have otherwise.
BECAUSE of DVR I watch EVERY episode of the shows I like. I'm also able to share those shows with other people who in turn become fans. My parents however who don't use DVR love NCIS and want to watch every episode. But because they get busy, or are at work or just forget, end up missing half the episodes. So the providers can decide if a person not watching at all or watching a few days later is better. I think ultimately the latter is.
Also, this isn't the 80's. Content manufacturers have internet ad revenue, DVD/blu ray sales, on demand, syndication, digital purchases and merchandise to make profits off of.
I'm only being so argumentative because I don't like you basically saying that people like me are the reason shows die. I contribute to the growth of media non-stop throughout my life. More than most people I've known. I never steal anything and am very loyal to the things I like.
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Well DVR viewing isn't a bad thing at all and still makes networks money. In fact, if viewers can't watch something live, the networks are stil happy you are watching it on your DVR. I just hate it when people complain about the shows they like being cancelled, when they themselves watch their shows online or on their DVR weeks late.
Yes, older people mainly watch shows live and rarely use DVR's or watch online. Unfortunately, advertisers don't care at all about anyone not in the 18-49 demographic. NCIS is one of the oldest skewing shows on television. Technically its the most watched scripted show on television but its does above average in the 18-49 demographic and charges above average advertising rates. It had been proven that shows with the highest 18-49 ratings, and more importantnly the highest 18-34 ratings charge the highest advertising rates. You could have NCIS with 18.5 million viewers average this season and around 3.5 million viewers in the 18-49 demographic and Modern Family with 9.9 million viewers but averages around 4.5 million viewers in the 18-49 demo. The rates charged for 30 second ad sports by each show are very different: NCIS charges $160k and Modern Family charges $280k. This proves that only viewers in the the demographic are considered by advertisers.
Syndication revenue is huge if the show can get good ratings. Most shows don't do well in syndication. More over the production studio gets all the money from syndication. This is fantastic if the network owns the production studio, but sometimes it doesn't. So basically when this happens, the only revenue networks get is the advertising revenue and they pay for everything else. It is fair though because the production studio takes the risk making the show and makes a loss at the beginning.
DVD sales revenue is very little now.
JPL78 said:
Alright, well I see what you are saying but I still take offense that you consider anyone using DVR as like a plague killing television production.
Times change, they have to adapt. Movie rental died because of digital video. When I order pay per view I don't shed a tear for the death of Blockbuster. I'm still paying for and consuming said programming even if the method of delivery has changed.
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I didn't mean it in a bad way. People that DVR shows aren't stealing anything, but its better for the networks and the future of your favourite shows if you watch your shows live. Well actually it doesn't matter what you or I do, because unless you are a Nielsen family, what you do doesn't affect anything.
Yes, the TV networks have to adapt now but still they haven't.