I own both games and I think Ryse graphically is better. Now, SS runs smoother and has great effects and graphics, but some of the scenes in Ryse are breathtaking.

It is hard to compare the two since both have such different styles.

In the end Ryse is the only game out of the X1 and PS4 that "wowed" me when I first played it.

Playing both on a 60" Samsung Plasma.

I was simply pointing out that the drops to the 20's he mentioned were almost all during those special moves, which you have little to no control over. During actual gameplay it spends 99% of its time sitting around 30 - 40fps (or locked 30fps, whichever takes your fancy).

Ryse's 20's frame rate on the other hand is part of the general gameplay. Usually it runs at about 26 - 32 fps depending on the level (bases on DF's performance videos), with occasional drops to 24fps (but those are fairly rare by comparison).

I have never once mentioned Ryse's drops into the teens. Same reason i never mention infamous's drops to the mid twenties during special moves or its rises to 40 - 50fps during some levels/areas. All of those things are inaccurate representations of either game, so when talking about the general performance of both they are irrelevant.

Ive never denied it. But as far as competitions go, they should have rules and I dont see why eliminating games which frequently go below 30fps isnt a good rule to have for this generation of consoles.

Have to say i agree. As i said earlier, i find it very difficult to be impressed by a game that can't maintain a consistent frame rate with a resolution already 44% below 1080p :/

I have similar sentiments over The Order right now. It's without a doubt the most stunning looking console game we've ever seen (by quite a lot in-fact), but if they don't fix those frame rate issues before launch then i can't say i'll be overly impressed by it.

Eh The Order looks good but the first footage they showed had some pretty glaring flaws. The dead eyes being the worst offender

Can't say i agree personally ^^; The only thing i really had to complain about it (excluding the performance), was the angular texture blurring the AF was giving some of the walls. Outside of that i was pretty blown away. We will just have to wait for launch i suppose.

Also dem cloth physics.

You nailed it. Currently, thanks to a better AA (SMAA) Ryse somehow is at the same technical level (apparently) than Killzone.

It wouldn't be the case if Guerrilla had used SMAA instead of shitty FXAA which destroys all small geometry details and high resolution textures. In short the 44% higher resolution/more pixels pushed by Killzone SF are destroyed by using the blurry shitty FXAA.

And it's a shame, because we know that in the capped mode of the SP they could have afforded SMAA instead of FXAA easily.

At this point I think the decision to use the blurry/soft FXAA instead of a sharp Morphological AA like SMAA is an artistic decision. Remember that they used the awful vaseline effect named Quincunx for Killzone 2. They do like vaseline filters in their games..

Yeah i'm not a fan of FXAA at all. It has to be said for a developer as graphically skilled as GG, they sure make a lot of odd decisions :P

In SF i think the MP was the worst offender. They use a seriously cool temporal frame method that allows them to give the frame rate a heavy bump while maintaining the clarity of 1080p, then they go and poor buckets of motion blur over it ¬_¬

Infamous looks better AND it's open world.