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teigaga said:
Mario kart is bigger than smash bros BTW.


I can agree with this. Still seems like Nintendo is trying to push for Smash more. Probably because it sells less. Smash is another core game though, while MK is more for everyone. I hope they push it and it sells well, or historically better than kart. (A man can dream.) They both typically sell well into the millions though.



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tuscaniman99 said:

No it still costs to much for what it is. Smash Bros isn't nearly as big of a game as Mario Kart either. I don't know why people (OP included) think Smash will push a console. Maybe in Japan it might push some WiiUs.

Edit: After reading this article it seems a huge Nintendo fanboy wrote it. Who actually believes this?


What exactly is it? 

I can tell you what its not.

Its not a new console from Sony or Microsoft

  • thats more of the same stuff.
  • With alot more but still insufficient power (resulting in games finally visually on par with a OVER 9000 year old PC game called Crysis in terms of textures/geometry/polycount/scope.) But since mostly bad game design is whats holding us back from getting great games NOT horsepower (ChronoTrigger / FF7 /Xenoblade are better games than 99% of PSWii60's library) lacking in power is irrelevant.
  • with online fee because devs and publishers agreed in forcing you to play on official servers. They removed player hosted servers on purpose to have control over the servers and to be able to charge you a fee on hardware
  • that already costs 400-500 bucks.

 


Its also not a stupid "bitten into" fruit phone that costs 500 bucks every year that can do 2% more things than your last still superfast phone can do. I dont see anybody complain about that or Samsung phones costing 500 bucks. (and saying you dont pay for the phone just for the contract is totally dumb. Of course you do the contract without the phone would be like 5-10 bucks.)


So what is it?

  • It's a new console by NIntendo it has NOT alot more but still more power which is even more insufficient than the other 2 consoles. But again thats irrelevant.
  • It has off-tv play because you get a tablet. Depending on the game you have 5player mode and/or asymetric gameplay etc. It is backwards compatible so its basically 2 consoles.
  • You can use all your last gen peripherals so alot of people dont have to buy controllers and it costs 300 dollars
  • And you dont need to pay for online play at all

So how exactly does it cost to much for what it is? When you objectively compare it to other consoles or goods its good value. When all what people care for is graphics (which is subjective) then I can somewhat agree but then I wonder why they dont play on a PC?
Because they want to play good games (exclusives etc)? Really? I wonder who said that game design is more important than horse power? Oh yeah right it was me xD

Not saying that graphics are completely irrelevant here but as long as our game designers are forced to work with e.g time constraints like shareholders wanting short term profit which results in publishers forcing devs into releasing a game without enough time to polish it or with playing it safe so there is no new risky or mindblowing new gameplay element etc...all that power is wasted 99% of the time. Instead of coming up with great new games during the last few years publishers became used to getting alot of money without actually doing much. The costs for developing the engine was recouped 4 years ago so lets NOT make something cool  lets just get more money out of that engine. So much wasted potential......

Its like having the best camera in the world and all one does is take picutes of the same piece of wall.  One should learn how to take proper pictures before asking for better hardware.



Zekkyou said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:
bubblegamer said:
curl-6 said:
Nobody in their right mind thinks MK8 won't move hardware.


It will move hardware, but not a ressurgence. Not even close. The console won't see 100K per week, not even on launch week.


So let me get this straight. You actually believe that MK8 wont help move 100K Wii U's for it's launch week? Are you being serious?

You don't have to agree with him, but it's not an outrageous prediction. That would be over a 300% increase from it's current numbers ^^;

OT: No one is saying it won't boost the WiiU's sales, but it's wishful thinking to believe a single game, or even 2, are going to suddenly "save" the WiiU.

Yes, for the Wii U to not reach 100k either during first or second week of launch is outrageous. I think people are underestimating the sales power of Mario Kart. It should propel the Wii U to 100-120k and then help maintain sales of 60-70K until the holidays (which is not much but better than previously)



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Nirvana_Nut85 said:
Zekkyou said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:
bubblegamer said:
curl-6 said:
Nobody in their right mind thinks MK8 won't move hardware.


It will move hardware, but not a ressurgence. Not even close. The console won't see 100K per week, not even on launch week.


So let me get this straight. You actually believe that MK8 wont help move 100K Wii U's for it's launch week? Are you being serious?

You don't have to agree with him, but it's not an outrageous prediction. That would be over a 300% increase from it's current numbers ^^;

OT: No one is saying it won't boost the WiiU's sales, but it's wishful thinking to believe a single game, or even 2, are going to suddenly "save" the WiiU.

Yes, for the Wii U to not reach 100k either during first or second week of launch is outrageous. I think people are underestimating the sales power of Mario Kart. It should propel the Wii U to 100-120k and then help maintain sales of 60-70K until the holidays (which is not much but better than previously)


Im sure it will have above 100k for two(3 at most) weeks, but it cannot keep 60-70k which is double of current sales (may maintain for a month) but not until holidays.



GAMING is not about spending hours to pass/waste our time just for fun,

its a Feeling/Experience about a VIRTUAL WORLD we can never be in real, and realizing some of our dreams (also creating new ones).

So, Feel Emotions, Experience Adventure/Action, Challenge Game, Solve puzzles and Have fun.

PlayStation is about all-round "New experiences" using new IP's to provide great diversity for everyone.

Xbox is always about Online and Shooting.

Nintendo is always about Fun games and milking IP's.

Nirvana_Nut85 said:
Zekkyou said:

You don't have to agree with him, but it's not an outrageous prediction. That would be over a 300% increase from it's current numbers ^^;

OT: No one is saying it won't boost the WiiU's sales, but it's wishful thinking to believe a single game, or even 2, are going to suddenly "save" the WiiU.

Yes, for the Wii U to not reach 100k either during first or second week of launch is outrageous. I think people are underestimating the sales power of Mario Kart. It should propel the Wii U to 100-120k and then help maintain sales of 60-70K until the holidays (which is not much but better than previously)

Not saying it's impossible, but saying there is no chance of it not boosting the WiiU by 300%+ seems a bit silly to me. Still, you're free to believe whatever you like ^^



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bigtakilla said:

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Mario-Kart-8-Selling-Out-Worldwide-Becomes-Fastest-Selling-Bundle-Nintendo-World-63980.html And this isn't even Smash Bros. Could this be the resurgence of the Wii U? Let's face it, now's a perfect time to get it, with two games (MK8, and a digital download) and the slew of the mature games people have been waiting for on the horizon like Bayo 2, Smash, and X, then Zelda and Fatal Frame as the two huge titles for 2015. Hop on board guys, the hype is real!


What a crappy, biased, and amateur article that is.

Do we know how many units they had in stock? Last I checked, some places don't even stock the WiiU, thus I'm guessing no company will store tons in its warehouse. Secondly, all its features are....last gen. Play online with mates? Done that thanks. Graphics are great...8 years ago etc. It just doesn't have any edge which brings it close to the other two consoles.



Zekkyou said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:
Zekkyou said:

You don't have to agree with him, but it's not an outrageous prediction. That would be over a 300% increase from it's current numbers ^^;

OT: No one is saying it won't boost the WiiU's sales, but it's wishful thinking to believe a single game, or even 2, are going to suddenly "save" the WiiU.

Yes, for the Wii U to not reach 100k either during first or second week of launch is outrageous. I think people are underestimating the sales power of Mario Kart. It should propel the Wii U to 100-120k and then help maintain sales of 60-70K until the holidays (which is not much but better than previously)

Not saying it's impossible, but saying there is no chance of it not boosting the WiiU by 300%+ seems a bit silly to me. Still, you're free to believe whatever you like ^^

Increasing sales by 70k is not silly when they are currently at 30k. To believe otherwise is just foolish at best. If sales were 100-200k then 300% would not be reasonable. Let's change systems for a moment. If Halo 5 were to release tomorrow, do you not think that Xbox would be well over 200K for that week? Mario Kart 8 is that type of game. It would not be unreasonable to see sales increase by 5X for that week.



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biglittlesps said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:
Zekkyou said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:
bubblegamer said:
curl-6 said:
Nobody in their right mind thinks MK8 won't move hardware.


It will move hardware, but not a ressurgence. Not even close. The console won't see 100K per week, not even on launch week.


So let me get this straight. You actually believe that MK8 wont help move 100K Wii U's for it's launch week? Are you being serious?

You don't have to agree with him, but it's not an outrageous prediction. That would be over a 300% increase from it's current numbers ^^;

OT: No one is saying it won't boost the WiiU's sales, but it's wishful thinking to believe a single game, or even 2, are going to suddenly "save" the WiiU.

Yes, for the Wii U to not reach 100k either during first or second week of launch is outrageous. I think people are underestimating the sales power of Mario Kart. It should propel the Wii U to 100-120k and then help maintain sales of 60-70K until the holidays (which is not much but better than previously)


Im sure it will have above 100k for two(3 at most) weeks, but it cannot keep 60-70k which is double of current sales (may maintain for a month) but not until holidays.

It may be tough but if Nintendo actually advertise the game the way they are claiming they are going to and if here is a few solid releases in between, then it would not be impossible for the Wii U to sell at that level.



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Hate nintendo all you want it wont stop it wont stop mk8 from sucess



Nirvana_Nut85 said:
Zekkyou said:



Not saying it's impossible, but saying there is no chance of it not boosting the WiiU by 300%+ seems a bit silly to me. Still, you're free to believe whatever you like ^^

Increasing sales by 70k is not silly when they are currently at 30k. To believe otherwise is just foolish at best. If sales were 100-200k then 300% would not be reasonable. Let's change systems for a moment. If Halo 5 were to release tomorrow, do you not think that Xbox would be well over 200K for that week? Mario Kart 8 is that type of game. It would not be unreasonable to see sales increase by 5X for that week.

I guess we can always wait and see. I agree with his point though. You never know what might happen. It's is likely that it will be over 100k, but nothing is certain. As for the Halo comparison, again it depends. There are systems that people are  willing to buy, but are waiting for a price cut or a specific game to release. Then there are systems that no matter what game or however a substantial price cut they receive, the hardare sales don't increase much. The psvita is one of those consoles. The wiiu might be in a similar situation at the moment, though I think it isn't.

The sales of a game/franchise from the previous generation is not always the best indication of future sales. Nintedogs/Brain Academy and even 2d/3d Mario games didn't give the wiiu/3ds the boost that people expected. The 2d Mario game on the wii, though, did because people wanted a wii anyway and that just helped them finally make the decision to buy it. The wiiu is, unfortunately, not a very desirable console at the moment, so it's pehaps impossible to make a prediction with absolute certainty.