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Kane1389 said:
curl-6 said:
Kane1389 said:

Only when they run their mouth too much by insulting and disrespecting the general population. No one is attacking them just for being what they are. They are being attacked because they believe they are allowed to take a shit on people's beliefs,culture, religion and tradition 

You're running your mouth and disrespecting them, does that give them the right to kick your ass?

If your traditions and culture mean assaulting those who disagree, then your traditions and cultures are fascist and inhumane.


I didn't say anything about anyone having any rights to beat up someone.  Nor did I say that they do it of cultural or religious reasons. You are purposefully misinterpreting my post to make it easier to attack with your strawnan arguments

Your language and word use clearly indicated you were justifying these assaults. And yes, you did say it was for cultural/religious reasons: ". They are being attacked because they believe they are allowed to take a shit on people's beliefs,culture, religion and tradition "

First saying you'd support a bill that would allow store owners refuse service to African Americans, then this, did it hurt when you fell out of your time machine from the 50s?



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^ I agree it was really offensive to say.

Things are heated in both sides.  Is this fair?  : http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/lets-get-naked-this-pride-gay-editor-defends-nudity-at-torontos-family-frie

"Glenwright’s piece was a response to Toronto District School Board trustee Sam Sotiropoulos, whovoiced his concern earlier this month over children viewing illegal public nudity at the event.

Sotiropoulos created a firestorm on Twitter after asking Toronto Police if they would enforce Canadian law against public nudity at the Pride event. The trustee was called a ‘homophobic a**hole’ and an ‘outrageous bigot’ by homosexual zealots.

Under Canada’s Criminal Code it is illegal to be nude in a “public place.” Section 174 states that a person who is “so clad as to offend against public decency or order” is “guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.”

Glenwright’s piece also took a swing at Toronto Mayor Rob Ford who stated a principled opposition to attending the World Pride Parade hosted in Toronto this June.

“I’m not going to go to the Pride parade,” the Mayor told a candidates’ forum for the 2014 mayoral election earlier this month. Amidst catcalls, he continued: “I’ve never been to a Pride parade. I can’t change who I am.”

Glenwright argued that “homophobes” who are in leadership positions — such as Ford or Sotiropoulos — balk at nakedness “on a parade float” because it “triggers a primitive hatred” for “two men f**king.”

“It reminds them of what we do in the privacy of our bedrooms,” he wrote.

Glenwright ridiculed Sotiropoulos’ “concern for children” as a legitimate reason for opposing nakedness at the Pride parade.

“So let’s call it what it is and stop allowing these bigots and nudity-haters from masking their issues with concern for the wide-eyed children. And let’s remember that Pride is not the Santa Claus parade — its roots are in protest and sexual liberation.”

“Let’s get naked!” Glenwright concludes."

Is it fair to Sotiropoulos?  He's saying something against a behavior, not against what someone is.  Being naked in public is a behavior that people of any orientation can be arrested for.  Is it a surprise that people accuse gay activists of not wanting to have a serious conversation when they get their opinion shut down by "homophobic a-hole bigot" remarks?  It would make the most open minded person think these people are jerks.



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naruball said:
Kane1389 said:
 


Defened what? I wasnt making opinionated statement, I was stating a fact which doesn't need to be defended.Gays mostly get attacked either when they are deemed too flamboyant or when they try to change majority approved laws/culture.

Sorry if you find reality offensive

Dude. Read what you wrote:


"they believe they are allowed to take a shit on people's beliefs,culture, religion and tradition"

This is by no means a fact. This is your judgemental opinion. Now either look up the definition of "fact" or ask a teacher/tutor/lecturer/friend with substantial education what it means.


Thats not the factual statement I was talking about. I very clearly said what I meant under a ''fact'' in my previous reply to you. You are, once again, twisting my post, so you can attack it easier. Shame on you, for real



Majora said:
Kane1389 said:


Defened what? I wasnt making opinionated statement, I was stating a fact which doesn't need to be defended.Gays mostly get attacked either when they are deemed too flamboyant or when they try to change majority approved laws/culture.

Sorry if you find reality offensive

Ok, ok, let's get this straight (oh, the irony). So if someone's behaviour is offensive to someone, in your example somebody being flamboyant, and in my example somebody being an asshole (ahem) they should expect to get beaten up.

Under the specific circumstances, yes they should anticipate physical altercation. That kinda goes without saying. regardless if you re a flameboyant gay or anyone else for that matter

Also, with regards to law and culture, both are fluid, and change/update accordingly. I hate to break it to you, but the laws and culture of today are very different to 100 years ago. Rules change and goal posts move as society evolves. It's good for you because it means even bigots get their say under the "freedom of speech" banner :)

...ok? I didnt say I agree or disagree with laws being changed in general. But if the people dont want it changed, it should stay like it is. Democracy, you know..





nitekrawler1285 said:
sc94597 said:

That wasn't the point of DolPhanTendo's post though. A lot of people are beaten up and assaulted for a variety of reasons, some superficial others more rational. While all people have the right to not be assaulted (for whatever reason), it is not the right of any person to demand inclusion in private activites, groups, business, or property. There is a right for all people to freely association with whomever they wish to. I say this as a gay/bisexual/mostly attracted to men (whatever you wanna call it) male, I oppose the sentiment among certain gays that using force to get somebody to bake you a cake or to get Nintendo to include same-sex partners in a game is moral. It removes Nintendo or the bakery's right to property and right to freely associate with whomever these groups wish to, even more in the case of Nintendo -- it intereferes with Nintendo's right to free speech if the government were to determine which content must or mustn't exist in the game. There is no right to a cake nor is there a right to a game that represents your, particular, individual life. I do understand though if potential customers want to bring it to Nintendo's attention that they feel excluded by a game they think they'd enjoy, which it seems the OP is speaking about. That is fine. That is the market at work. But this isn't a matter of rights, which some in this thread - in particular - have claimed. It is a matter of a private business appealing to consumers, and what it should do to reach certain markets in the future. 

Who is demanding anything? Miiquality specfically is a request.  

This is a game forum.  Many people request features and content for games.  Miiquality is being no more demanding than forum users asking for a game at 1080P and 60FPS or to include different gameplay mechanics or content. Miiquality has done so in a far more polite and repsectful manner than any of those other groups on our forum so I don't see why it's characterized as violent or some incredulous demand. 

If you really want to have a conversation about this it would be a good start to stop making it seem as if there is some gay mafia with pink pistols being held to the head of videogame creators because of there rights. Such a situation clearly does not exist.  There is and always will be discourse between consumers of products and people making them.  Wether there is any new inclusion because of that is still entirely up to said creators irrespective of any such dialogue.    

No one hear has said it's a customers right to have what they have requested make it's way into a video game. If you want to argue at least argue with points people are actually making.   

"I love how people call Nintendo (or any other giant, faceless corporation for that matter) a family company. Considering their environmental and human right records, I'd say that Nintendo is anything but family friendly. Regardless, my family includes gay people but this is a non-issue to me because my home already excludes Nintendo products."

That is the one that really stood out. The original poster whom curl-6 quoted made an analogy with the whole cake fiasco that was in the media for months. 

And honestly, you are being intellectually dishonest yourself and distorting my message to suit your argument.  

"among certain gays "  was the terminology I used. Quite obviously, being gay myself, I know that there is a ton of variation. However, politically there is a large group of individuals (not a mafira) who wants to force private businesses to accomodate not their person as a whole, but specifically their activities which these other persons do not support, as if they need social approval for their perfectly ethical (notice I didn't use moral - that is an argument I don't get into) actions. 



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naruball said:

 The people who opposed to the guy making a request for homosexual relationships are the ones who brought up rights. The vast majority (at least based on this thread) who support the miiquality do not se it as a right but as a request to Ninty. And as you said, there's nothing wrong with that. 

 

I understand that. But there were a few people who viewed it as a right to be included in anything and everything, and that is who was addressed. 



sc94597 said:

naruball said:

 The people who opposed to the guy making a request for homosexual relationships are the ones who brought up rights. The vast majority (at least based on this thread) who support the miiquality do not se it as a right but as a request to Ninty. And as you said, there's nothing wrong with that. 

 

I understand that. But there were a few people who viewed it as a right to be included in anything and everything, and that is who was addressed. 

Fair enough.



Kane1389 said:
naruball said:
Kane1389 said:
 


Defened what? I wasnt making opinionated statement, I was stating a fact which doesn't need to be defended.Gays mostly get attacked either when they are deemed too flamboyant or when they try to change majority approved laws/culture.

Sorry if you find reality offensive

Dude. Read what you wrote:


"they believe they are allowed to take a shit on people's beliefs,culture, religion and tradition"

This is by no means a fact. This is your judgemental opinion. Now either look up the definition of "fact" or ask a teacher/tutor/lecturer/friend with substantial education what it means.


Thats not the factual statement I was talking about. I very clearly said what I meant under a ''fact'' in my previous reply to you. You are, once again, twisting my post, so you can attack it easier. Shame on you, for real

"they believe they are allowed to take a shit on people's beliefs,culture, religion and tradition"

Shame on you for making such a homophobic statement.



curl-6 said:
Kane1389 said:
curl-6 said:
Kane1389 said:

Only when they run their mouth too much by insulting and disrespecting the general population. No one is attacking them just for being what they are. They are being attacked because they believe they are allowed to take a shit on people's beliefs,culture, religion and tradition 

You're running your mouth and disrespecting them, does that give them the right to kick your ass?

If your traditions and culture mean assaulting those who disagree, then your traditions and cultures are fascist and inhumane.


I didn't say anything about anyone having any rights to beat up someone.  Nor did I say that they do it of cultural or religious reasons. You are purposefully misinterpreting my post to make it easier to attack with your strawnan arguments

Your language and word use clearly indicated you were justifying these assaults. And yes, you did say it was for cultural/religious reasons: ". They are being attacked because they believe they are allowed to take a shit on people's beliefs,culture, religion and tradition "

First saying you'd support a bill that would allow store owners refuse service to African Americans, then this, did it hurt when you fell out of your time machine from the 50s?

Get out of here with that crap, my language didnt indicate anything, it's just you trying your best to twist my post again so you can attack it easier. I swear to God, strawman is all you people know. Its kinda funny to watch actually. 

I said people might attack them because they feel their religion/culture/tradition is under a threat, not because their religion/culture/tradition tells them to. Thats what I meant...but why do I even bother, you'll probablly find a way to twist this too. Seriously, what is the matter with you?

I said I'd be ok with store owners having the right to refuse service TO ANYONE because of ANYTHING, but of course, in your typicall fashion, you twist my point so you can call me out on some non existant crap because you cant actually refute my argument or opinion but you still just cant let it be.

And if there was a time era I'd like to time travel to, it would definitely be the 50's :D or age of exploration



don't understand why this is a big deal. there's more important things in life to battle over. this seems real trivial in the grand scheme of things.