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gergroy on 06 May 2014
taspao said:
gergroy said:
taspao said:

compare the same period sales  of nintendo wii u and 3ds sales on nintendo  ir site  and sales on vgchartz...!

Where did you get your data from?  

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/sales/hard_soft/index.html :P


Ah, I see.  Ok, well this is a simple case of shipped vs sold then.  Nintendo tracks and relates the sales figures of hardware that are sold to retailers.  This site attempts to track the sales of units that are sold to consumers.  Having anywhere from a few 100k to about a million units floating around the retail channel is normal.  

Now, thats not saying vgchartz are 100% accurate, because they aren't.  They are just estimates, not actual sales figures.  

Edit: ninja'd by skidonti!



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taspao on 06 May 2014
Skidonti said:
taspao said:
superchunk said:
I say that every time somebody says VGC is wrong.

 

DS 763,857 (-29%) 41,789,481
PS4 471,720 (-37%) 4,146,957
XOne 295,737 (-26%) 2,919,036
PS3 291,303 (-11%) 80,608,923
WiiU 239,046 (-31%) 5,358,113
X360 213,391 (-32%) 80,020,037
PSV 201,695 (+11%) 7,214,557
PSP 86,931 (+6%) 80,206,837
Wii 75,344 (-27%) 100,383,113
DS 15,795 (-37%)    153,814,209  

( As of December 31, 2013 )

 


Shipped vs. Sold. So while VGC could be a little low on those numbers compared to reality they were well within the bounds of estimation. The true obvious problem would be if VGC tracked ABOVE shipment numbers...


oh you re right...why some companies dont announce their actual sales?



kirby007 on 06 May 2014
GribbleGrunger said:
What a timely appearance ... LOL

yes yes I'm such an xbot by posting this assesment and i didn't put down every statement made so far.

just read



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GribbleGrunger on 06 May 2014
kirby007 said:
GribbleGrunger said:
What a timely appearance ... LOL

yes yes I'm such an xbot by posting this assesment and i didn't put down every statement made so far.

just read

Where did I call you an Xbot? It's just timely considering the debate we are currently having the the console sales thread.



 

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KingdomHeartsFan on 06 May 2014

Is there even that many people saying NDP is 100% accurate to justify this thread?  I haven't seen anyone saying its 100%, just that its the most accurate thing we have to work with. 



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kirby007 on 06 May 2014
GribbleGrunger said:
kirby007 said:
GribbleGrunger said:
What a timely appearance ... LOL

yes yes I'm such an xbot by posting this assesment and i didn't put down every statement made so far.

just read

Where did I call you an Xbot? It's just timely considering the debate we are currently having the the console sales thread.

sorry i assumed you meant the same as Max



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kirby007 on 06 May 2014
KingdomHeartsFan said:

Is there even that many people saying NDP is 100% accurate to justify this thread?  I haven't seen anyone saying its 100%, just that its the most accurate thing we have to work with. 

So explain to me why its being used as gospel?



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GribbleGrunger on 06 May 2014
kirby007 said:

sorry i assumed you meant the same as Max


Naaa, no problem :)



 

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KingdomHeartsFan on 06 May 2014
kirby007 said:
KingdomHeartsFan said:

Is there even that many people saying NDP is 100% accurate to justify this thread?  I haven't seen anyone saying its 100%, just that its the most accurate thing we have to work with. 

So explain to me why its being used as gospel?

Maybe look over the last part of my post again.  



Mr Khan on 06 May 2014
kirby007 said:
Torillian said:
I guess your issue then is that you have absolutely no NA consumer sales data that's better than NPD. Even the first party companies will just cite NPD when they talk about consumer sales in NA so there really isn't any source for more accurate information and all you could say is how many units things shipped.

there is a difference between using it as guideline or believing it is 100% correct

If you've worked in statistics, you tend to understand that as long as the sample size is large enough and you are being unbiased in which retailer you choose (which is where NPD kind of falls off. Don't they not track Walmart for video games?), you can have the sample reflect reality. With a large sample, you can state with a high degree of confidence that the "real" value is about X, plus or minus a margin of error.



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