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Nem said:

No advertisement starts sooner than a week from launch and even that is not advisable. Its considered a waste of money to have targeted your customer but for him to be unable to purchase the product.

I'm assuming this rule doesn't apply to a bunch of things. Like movies. Or TV shows. Or a bunch of videogames that are advertised weeks and even sometimes months ahead of time. Right?



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noname2200 said:
Nem said:

No advertisement starts sooner than a week from launch and even that is not advisable. Its considered a waste of money to have targeted your customer but for him to be unable to purchase the product.

I'm assuming this rule doesn't apply to a bunch of things. Like movies. Or TV shows. Or a bunch of videogames that are advertised weeks and even sometimes months ahead of time. Right?


It applies to packaged goods. I'm sure there might be some exception depending on the product, but that is the rule. 

Before release its a waste of money. Doesnt mean everyone does the right thing. Especially in the games market theres alot of wasting of money.

The only instance where that might make sense in the videogames market is if the point is to boost pre-order numbers. I'm not convinced that is worth it, as the average consumer does not usually pre-order games. For the hardcore gamer, you use PR actions, like the ones that showed us footage with impressions on different publications. Alot cheaper and efficient.

A TV spot is considered the atomic bomb of advertising. You fire an expensive bullet in hopes of getting as many of your target as you can, but its not efficient at all, as it will be expensive and will target alot of consumers that arent your target and dont care about games. TV spots are incredibly costly and inneficient. If on top of that your target cant buy your product, its a massive waste of money.



Nem said:

No advertisement starts sooner than a week from launch and even that is not advisable. Its considered a waste of money to have targeted your customer but for him to be unable to purchase the product.

DO NOT...expect any advertisment sooner than that. Sorry, but its the second or third thread on this. I am a marketeer, so believe me on that. Its my job.

I hope you are just talking about TV advertising.



fps_d0minat0r said:
Nem said:

No advertisement starts sooner than a week from launch and even that is not advisable. Its considered a waste of money to have targeted your customer but for him to be unable to purchase the product.

DO NOT...expect any advertisment sooner than that. Sorry, but its the second or third thread on this. I am a marketeer, so believe me on that. Its my job.

I hope you are just talking about TV advertising.


I hope you arent wasting my time. Read the OP.



outlawauron said:
tbone51 said:

Tht said, ever since the direct aired last week, lots of talk has been surfaced all over the place, Huge advertisements in japan, trends online (as you see) with many new vids and info. The ND brought a good amount of positivity with a good bundle and of course the great deal of any MK8 purchased gets consumers a free game! 

After the direct pre orders shot up (proof in every amazon site from all different countries), and there ae few articles commenting on them. That is all (hope that helps)

Was the spike due to the Direct or due to the new bundle announcement and the start of advertising?

I would think the bundle is doing well because it's a good deal and MK is an incredibly popular franchise and MK8 looks good.


Right after the direct, I went on to gamestop, and the top 4 best sellers were Mario Kart 8, Mario Kart 8 bundle, Wii U mario luigi bundle, and amazing spider man 2. 



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tbone51 said:
outlawauron said:

Was the spike due to the Direct or due to the new bundle announcement and the start of advertising?

I would think the bundle is doing well because it's a good deal and MK is an incredibly popular franchise and MK8 looks good.

Direct, Amazon doesn't have the bundle, and beside wouldn't technically the bundle announcement count as the direct? There has not been any advertising (not counting Game review sites) aside from the direct!

Your second sentence, all from the direct. Pre orders shot up as soonas the direct aired. Look at any country on amazon. Some are at 1st place right now like japan

I wouldn't count the bundle as part of the direct, because the deal is attractive regardless of how or when it's presented. The good deal/value of the bundle of has nothing to do with any sort of advertising, direct or otherwise, and I don't see how the video trumps the 34 million people who bought MK Wii.

I'm not saying the Direct was bad or anything, this game was going to do very well and be popular. Why are people acting surprised.



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outlawauron said:

I'm not saying the Direct was bad or anything, this game was going to do very well and be popular. Why are people acting surprised.

Your points were correct, think of it as a much added effect. The direct was the source hence why people are stating the direct. Your correct in saying the direct wasnt necessarily needed as any other media could hve done the trick and besides MK is already popular to begin with.

All we are saying is as soon as the direct aired, the hype did a good multiply to the hype if that makes sense :o



Nem said:


It applies to packaged goods. I'm sure there might be some exception depending on the product, but that is the rule. 

Before release its a waste of money. Doesnt mean everyone does the right thing. Especially in the games market theres alot of wasting of money.

The only instance where that might make sense in the videogames market is if the point is to boost pre-order numbers. I'm not convinced that is worth it, as the average consumer does not usually pre-order games. For the hardcore gamer, you use PR actions, like the ones that showed us footage with impressions on different publications. Alot cheaper and efficient.

A TV spot is considered the atomic bomb of advertising. You fire an expensive bullet in hopes of getting as many of your target as you can, but its not efficient at all, as it will be expensive and will target alot of consumers that arent your target and dont care about games. TV spots are incredibly costly and inneficient. If on top of that your target cant buy your product, its a massive waste of money.

I take your meaning, especially in regards to how with games it's supposed to up pre-orders (not really a Mario Kart problem), but I can't stop thinking about movies in particular, which get bombarded with TV spots at least a month before the premiere. The bigger issue though is the statement that commercials are going to "target a lot of consumers that aren't your target and dont care about games." They may be failing spectacularly this particular generation, but it was only a few years ago where Nintendo showed that the potential audience for gaming is broader than the current audience (not to mention that they're earlier statement that gaming's future is incredibly bleak if they don't start expanding their reach ASAP).

I don't find it concidental that most of the biggest games of the prior generation saw extensive marketing campaigns, including large TV bombardments. Mario Kart Wii and DS saw the biggest TV campaigns I can remember for the series, for example, and did better than the entries before and since. Word of mouth may be the most effective marketing tool, but you first have to get the word into as many mouths as possible, no?



Nem said:
fps_d0minat0r said:
Nem said:

No advertisement starts sooner than a week from launch and even that is not advisable. Its considered a waste of money to have targeted your customer but for him to be unable to purchase the product.

DO NOT...expect any advertisment sooner than that. Sorry, but its the second or third thread on this. I am a marketeer, so believe me on that. Its my job.

I hope you are just talking about TV advertising.


I hope you arent wasting my time. Read the OP.


Thats why im asking you. A lot of people write a load of crap without even reading the OP.



noname2200 said:
Nem said:


It applies to packaged goods. I'm sure there might be some exception depending on the product, but that is the rule. 

Before release its a waste of money. Doesnt mean everyone does the right thing. Especially in the games market theres alot of wasting of money.

The only instance where that might make sense in the videogames market is if the point is to boost pre-order numbers. I'm not convinced that is worth it, as the average consumer does not usually pre-order games. For the hardcore gamer, you use PR actions, like the ones that showed us footage with impressions on different publications. Alot cheaper and efficient.

A TV spot is considered the atomic bomb of advertising. You fire an expensive bullet in hopes of getting as many of your target as you can, but its not efficient at all, as it will be expensive and will target alot of consumers that arent your target and dont care about games. TV spots are incredibly costly and inneficient. If on top of that your target cant buy your product, its a massive waste of money.

I take your meaning, especially in regards to how with games it's supposed to up pre-orders (not really a Mario Kart problem), but I can't stop thinking about movies in particular, which get bombarded with TV spots at least a month before the premiere. The bigger issue though is the statement that commercials are going to "target a lot of consumers that aren't your target and dont care about games." They may be failing spectacularly this particular generation, but it was only a few years ago where Nintendo showed that the potential audience for gaming is broader than the current audience (not to mention that they're earlier statement that gaming's future is incredibly bleak if they don't start expanding their reach ASAP).

I don't find it concidental that most of the biggest games of the prior generation saw extensive marketing campaigns, including large TV bombardments. Mario Kart Wii and DS saw the biggest TV campaigns I can remember for the series, for example, and did better than the entries before and since. Word of mouth may be the most effective marketing tool, but you first have to get the word into as many mouths as possible, no?


It depends on your target audience and the objective of the communication plan that is beeing drawn. The word of mouth is typically done through social networks. This can be done efficiently with the PR actions they have been doing with the press. These get linked into facebook, twitter, etc.

If your campaign objective is to get word of mouth going i can understand trying that kind of tactic, but in truth word of mouth is something very difficult to gauge. Number of tweets and number or facebook likes? What numbers do you assume would be acceptable numbers to justify the money you will be spending on the production and broadcast of a TV spot?

Of course, the case of movies its different. Maybe for them word of mouth is indeed a big indicator for how well a movie will do. In truth, they are different kinds of products in wich a game is a purchase that is more expensive and racional on the consumer than a movie, wich is significantly cheaper and more prone to impulse buys. The target audience is also larger for movies and the efficiency of a TV spot will probably be higher for them. The TV and cinema audiences overlap quite a bit aswell.

What makes a good Marketeer is to be able to hit the target as efficiently as possible. If you make lots of TV commercials, you will be fireing lots of "big shots" at the audience. Yeah you will reach them, but will it be worth it? How much is that advertisment campaign is gonna cost? How many more millions will the game have to sell because of it? You know, that is one of the problems the industry faces now. When incompetent Marketeers shoot alot of these "big-shots" and then the game needs to sell 3 million + to become profitable.