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Will Scotland be an independent country?

Yes 70 37.43%
 
Don't know 40 21.39%
 
No 75 40.11%
 
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Adinnieken said:

Really?  Russian nuclear missle subs have recently entered Scottish waters.  Maybe a month or two ago, implying a direct threat that Russia still poses to any country.   Russia is getting brazen.

Right now everything Russia is doing smells of what Germany was doing prior to WWII.  Including Pro-Russian forces in the Ukraine requiring Jews to register.


No, this is just propaganda. I agree with what you are saying except for the Jewish part. If you check the local newspapers, this was a scam perpetrated by none other than.........scammers, where they were pretending to be pro russian forces and asking jews to register their wealth so that they knew who to steal from. I am worried about Russian movements, but sensationalism is just silly.



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Pezzilla said:
cfin2987@gmail.com said:
Pezzilla said:
Spoke to a guy from Scotland and he reckons it'll be close, apparently they are allowing 16+ to vote, me being Irish I think it would be a good thing for the country.


You being Irish? What has being Irish got to do with anything? Let me guess, you live in the past? Grow up lad. I'm Irish and I have no bad opinion of England or Scotland. If Scotland break away, our largest trading partner will be hurting to a huge extent which will hurt Ireland. Scotland will turn to Scandanavian countires for trade and Ireland will lose out. We will also lose out regarding tourists, as an independent Scotland will scoop about half of Irelands tourists once their government starts marketing the same old stuff our government d

Lol, taking tourists away from Ireland, so would that not be considered a good thing for scotland like I said?


Well yeah of course it will be good for Scotland, but it's not good for Ireland. How you being Irish is relevant, still is unclear.



Adinnieken said:

No, that was well after the Union. 

I forget what consequences there were as a result of the scheme with the Bank of Scotland, investors, and the two colonies in the UK, but what it did essentially do was mark the end of Scotland's dominance as an economic force.  Minor shareholders, most of the population of Scotland, lost their entire investment, but major shareholders, in a deal with Westminster, were compensated for their losses as I recall.

The BBC Series, A History of Scotland, covers this.  A great series if you want a brief overview of Scottish history.


Sounds interesting, I'll definitely check it out. Would be worth knowing the history of half my family haha.



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I'd say a 50%+1 majority vote for independence is hardly democratic



non-gravity said:
I'd say a 50%+1 majority vote for independence is hardly democratic


Does seem like something you'd want a Super Majority for.  A small bump could push the numbers over, and two months later 5% of the voters regret their vote.



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Kasz216 said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

Time for Brits to vote UKIP. 

Considering the Blue Labour movement they might not have to.

IDK whether in UK the situation for Labour Party is as serious, but elsewhere in Europe more and more people don't trust anymore politicians of their national parties members of PSE. In Italy PD still survives better than the other old-style parties thanks to its die-hard voters and now thanks to their new leader too that's not much less populist and demagogic than Berlusconi, Beppe Grillo or Bossi, but the large mass of the undecided could tip from abstensionism mostly to M5S at any moment, and, since he switched to moderated euroscepticism, even Berlusconi could gather some of them again. In France far right wing is growing again and the socialists plummeting. The fact that they have been more than ready to cut welfare state, but not their rich wages, or unproductive state costs that benefit just their network of influence, but not common citizens, doesn't help socialist politicians keeping their old voters, either.



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Alby_da_Wolf said:
Kasz216 said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

Time for Brits to vote UKIP. 

Considering the Blue Labour movement they might not have to.

IDK whether in UK the situation for Labour Party is as serious, but elsewhere in Europe more and more people don't trust anymore politicians of their national parties members of PSE. In Italy PD still survives better than the other old-style parties thanks to its die-hard voters and now thanks to their new leader too that's not much less populist and demagogic than Berlusconi, Beppe Grillo or Bossi, but the large mass of the undecided could tip from abstensionism mostly to M5S at any moment, and, since he switched to moderated euroscepticism, even Berlusconi could gather some of them again. In France far right wing is growing again and the socialists plummeting. The fact that they have been more than ready to cut welfare state, but not their rich wages, or unproductive state costs that benefit just their network of influence, but not common citizens, doesn't help socialist politicians keeping their old voters, either.


Well "Blue Labour" is a faction of the labour party trying to replace "New Labour. " who essentially think a big reason Labour lost was due to not listening to peoples euroskepticism and immigration fears combined with them thinking it was a mistake to resort to modern economic thinking made popular by Thatcher.

 

So if they get their way Labour will essentially be an anti immigrant, anti-EU party that's for corprotism.  (In the national unions way, not the give money to corporations way, but being polticians, probably that way too.)



kowenicki said:
Hope so. The end of the Labour party.

Vote yes please Scotland. Oh.. and good luck, boy will you need it.


What about Wales and NI?

No way will I support a rUK. If the wildlings go independent then Wales and NI can FO too. NI and Scotland will make a perfect match wih their sectarian bullshit. Feel sorry for Wales though.

England has been fucked over for years , no Parliament, no national assembly. Scots MPs deciding English-only affairs. Scots MPs should have been barred from becoming PM back in 1997, if not completely barred from the Commons.

One of the reasons the NO campaign has lost so much momentum is that the English just don't care. The NO campaign (brits) are trying to convince everyone we are one country instead of focussing on the benefits of being a family of nations that make up a country. Thats why no-one is convinced. We aren't one country. We're a united kingdom of countries.

Now the debate has turned into whether Scotland could or could not make it alone.

Outstanding work by the SNP. They've changed the debate to one that is much easier to win.

rUK will bend over backwards to keep an independent Scotland on-side, economically, militarily, constitutionally despite the current fear mongering.An independent England would drop them in a heartbeat. England can get it's celtic fix from Ireland now. England and Ireland are closer than they've ever been. Splitting from NI and Scotland will only improve the relationship.

Poor Wales though.



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If Scotland would leave the UK, what is it they want to change the most?

Do they want to keep the British currency or switch to Euro or create their own currency?
Do they want to keep sports teams in the "British" leagues or create their own domestic leagues for football etc.?
Do they want to keep English as their first language or switch to Gaelic or use Gaelic and English as their first languages?(maybe they already do, I don't know this)
Do they want to join the Nordic council or is it just a rumour?
Anything else?

To be honest I can't really see why they want to leave the UK. But I am not Scottish so I will maybe not understand this.



wangjingwanjia said:
If Scotland would leave the UK, what is it they want to change the most?

Do they want to keep the British currency or switch to Euro or create their own currency? They want to keep the £ for now util they join the euro.

Do they want to keep sports teams in the "British" leagues or create their own domestic leagues for football etc.? No idea. Hasn't been mentioned.


Do they want to keep English as their first language or switch to Gaelic or use Gaelic and English as their first languages?(maybe they already do, I don't know this) They'll speak English. No-one speaks Gaelic in Scotland. Wales uses their 'own language' much moreso than the Scots.


Do they want to join the Nordic council or is it just a rumour? Never even knew there was a Nordic council and I doubt most Scots do. Scots have used Nordic countries as an example of small and successful with oil.


Anything else? Keep the Monarchy, keep UK armed forces, stay in the Commonwealth.

To be honest I can't really see why they want to leave the UK. But I am not Scottish so I will maybe not understand this.

Honestly, a giant chip on the shoulder. Scotland is the 'most free' part of the UK. We've had a separate legal, education, health system since forever. Scotland always pushes for more. That's fine but England has done nothing similar. If England were to get the same priviledges as Scotland then the UK would already have split. England has never pushed back for equal terms. Even if Scotland stays, the West Lothian Question needs to be addressed. The only sensible answer to the West Lothian Question is an English Parliament (UK, Wales, NI, Scotland all have constitutional power, England doesn't).

The UK ended when Scotland got it's Parliament back. The English are still waiting for theirs.



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