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Forums - Sales - "The Console Market is Shrinking" is a BS Statement

 

The console market is

shrinking 98 43.36%
 
staying the same 52 23.01%
 
growing 74 32.74%
 
Total:224
Shaunaka said:
Turkish said:
Gen 8 will sell less than Gen 7 but don't panic, it'll be entirely due to the decline of Nintendo's casual fanbase. They went from 100m Wii's to WiiU, which is currently tracking behind Gamecube.

Overall the traditional gamesmarket between the Xbox and PS will stay the same, although PS4 will have a really large marketshare.

Even though I made this thread I completely agree that the underlined is possible. The actual ethos of this thread is that we should place more emphasis on the "don't panic" part.

Some people have not understood this even though I thought it was implicit. Apparantly I'm implying that 200M PS4s are going to be sold or something. LOL.


I think Gen 8 will have a total of 200 million console sales:

PS4: 100-125m

Xbone: 50-60m

WiiU: 20-30m

180-200m is a great performance and will warrant another console generation. Gen 7 will be forever tainted by the stats caused by the influx and departure of the non-gamers. People will be confused why Gen 8 dropped by ~80m while the answer is very simple.



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There's more competition than ever before. That is the problem here. iPhone, Steam, Apple, Linux. All those platforms have opened up stealing away niches which have always just settled for a console until now. iPhone is that casual market, and Steam Apple and Linux are hardcore markets. Those didn't have the same dominance they do now last gen.

Not to mention games are getting more and more generic. Things like Katamari Damacy aren't getting made anymore. NOTE: Yes those kinds of games are on the Indie market that's a point in the steam category, not one in the PS4 side. The people who like that niche won't have a reason to buy a PS4 over just buying something on Steam.



it depends the gen time duration.
if devs think they are ok with ps4 and xbo until 202x, the gen would be the greatest.



Shadow1980 said:

The annual decline over the last few years is normal. The market is cyclical, like the tides. Low tide is at the transition between generations, while high tide is towards the middle of the generation. For example, here's global console shipments for the 5th, 6th, & 7th generations:

And here's U.S. sales for the 6th, 7th, & 8th generations:

Up and down, up and down. Tide goes in, tide goes out. Sales will likely start to grow again this year and continue growing for about two or three years before peaking and declining again, then another generation comes out to start the cycle all over again.

Now, as to whether the market shrinks in total generational sales, that remains to be seen. Here's generational sales both globally and regionally:

 

As we see, in North America, each generation was considerably larger than the previous, and Europe has experienced similar growth. Japan has declined over the last couple of generations, though it is worth pointing out that nearly all the losses were on Sega's end, and they were always relatively niche there. If you ignore Sega, total hardware sales from the fifth to seventh generation are only slightly down. Assuming the Wii U only sells 5 million units in Japan and the XBO only 1 million, the PS4 will have to sell at least 18 million units for the eighth generation to match the seventh in Japan, and that's kind of a tall order. I personally think it'll sell less than that, but likekly a good bit better than the PS3, maybe 12 million at minimum at 15 million at maximum. The PS3 will likely end at around 10.5M, thus putting seventh-gen sales at just shy of 25 million, while even at 15 million plus 5 million for the Wii U and 1 million for the XBO only comes out to 21 million, a generation-over-generation decline of 4 million units. While that's a good bit relative to the size of the Japanese market, it's small beans for the total global market.

Of course, we shouldn't expect sales in NA and Europe, and thus total global sales (NA and EU combined make up about 80% of the global market), to continue to grow at the same rate. There's only so many households that are both willing and capable of buying a console at any given time, and eventually that percentage will reach a saturation point. The number of households in the U.S. owning whatever is a current-gen console at the time has roughly doubled since the 8-bit era. Assuming a negligible number of U.S. homes owned more than one NES and the U.S. accounted for 90% of North American NES sales, that amounts to about 30 million NES-owning homes, plus a couple of million homes with a Sega Master System. According to a Nielsen report from a couple of years ago, at the end of 2011 about 56% of U.S. households owned a game system, which is over 65 million homes based on Census Bureau data on the number of households, and that number has likely increased a bit in the two years since that report. Now, there may have been a couple of million non-gamer households that got a Wii (though some core gamers swear up and down that the vast majority of of Wii sales were due to "soccer moms and grandparents," but I don't agree with that one bit), but likely the number of U.S. households consisting of traditional core gamers that own at least one console still exceeded 60 million. Now, whether we've reached saturation or not remains to be seen. The average age of gamers continues to rise as Gen X-ers, Millenials, and others who grew up with games age and start to comprise an ever-greater percentage of the population. But there will always be non-gamers of various stripes as well as people who just can't afford to buy game consoles. So, we might continue to see growth in the number of households that own current-gen consoles, but that percentage will probably never be 100%. (Note: Sorry for the focus on the U.S. market. I can't find similar studies to the Nielsen one for Europe.)

Of course, total number of households isn't the only thing we need to factor in. Many households own more than one system, so the ratio of consoles per console-owning household is another thing we need to take into account. Considering that sales of the 360, Wii, and PS3 totaled about 91.6 million units at the end of 2011, that's about 1.41 consoles per console-owning household at that point going by the Nielsen report. But is 1.41 normal, or is the norm lower? The Wii was a low-cost and fundamentally different console and thus probably increased the number of multi-system households by a good bit, so the market in terms of total hardware sales may have grown more than the actual market as defined by number of console-owning households. With the Wii U being a relative flop and the PS4 and XBO being so similar, the consoles-to-households ratio may decline, so even if the same amount of households buy a system we still may only see total hardware sales remain relatively flat or even decline. Had the ratio in the U.S. at the end of 2011 been 1.2 systems/household that would have resulted in only about 78 million hardware units sold. If it was 1.1, then only 71.5. Considering the small user base of the Wii U and the fact that the PS4 and XBO are so similar in functionality and game libraries, I think the ratio will be rather low. Let's say that by 2019 there's about 70 million households owning at least one eighth-gen system. With a systems/household ratio of 1.1, that amounts to about 77 million systems (say, 37 million PS4s, 28M XBOs, and 12M Wii U's, just to throw out some probable estimates). Now, the number of households went up slighthly from over a generation previously, but the total number of hardware sales dipped a good bit due to a decline in multi-system households.


I was trolled for "ignoring" that cyclical data even though it is self-evidently ridiculous. I think using US data alone is usually ok.

Anyways, I'd have been happy if this thread were filled with posts like this. Whether or not the PS4+X1+WiiU outsell the PS3+360+Wii isn't even exactly the point. There are so many factors that end up influencing the total sales of a generation. I could list so many it's not even worth starting really; A $399 PS3, launched head-to-head with the 360, with a simpler architecture would have significantly changed what happend these last 8 years. And no-one could have predicted that even old-age homes would buy a Wii. It's just very difficult to predict.

Specifically, people say the "Console Market" is shrinking. Now that doesn't necessarily translate into "sold less this generation". Absolutely not. Rather, it indicates the size of the prospective console owners' market. Not just how many buyers, but also how much money are they willing to spend. How regularly will they purchase software. I think I can't even really have a serious discussion about the matter with someone who doesn't get that. (I'm implying here that my OP is a little bit of a joke of course)

The single point then is that there are more people willing to spend money on videogames at a greater rate than before. And even if it dips slightly, then it's not because of a major reversal trend, but rather because of one of the natural fluctuations that happen in due course of time.

What peeves me is that when this generation ends up selling less, fingers will be pointed to me (actually no-one will remember this thread so it won't happen, but let's just say...) for being 'wrong'. But I ask again, are there less gamers spending money now than before? Is the market shrinking? Are those companies making less money than before? I don't think so.

(sorry if this reply is not directly to all of the points you make - actually I want to go sleep and I wanted to make that point somewhere in here in the thread and this seemed like a good place)



Turkish said:
Shaunaka said:
Turkish said:
Gen 8 will sell less than Gen 7 but don't panic, it'll be entirely due to the decline of Nintendo's casual fanbase. They went from 100m Wii's to WiiU, which is currently tracking behind Gamecube.

Overall the traditional gamesmarket between the Xbox and PS will stay the same, although PS4 will have a really large marketshare.

Even though I made this thread I completely agree that the underlined is possible. The actual ethos of this thread is that we should place more emphasis on the "don't panic" part.

Some people have not understood this even though I thought it was implicit. Apparantly I'm implying that 200M PS4s are going to be sold or something. LOL.


I think Gen 8 will have a total of 200 million console sales:

PS4: 100-125m

Xbone: 50-60m

WiiU: 20-30m

180-200m is a great performance and will warrant another console generation. Gen 7 will be forever tainted by the stats caused by the influx and departure of the non-gamers. People will be confused why Gen 8 dropped by ~80m while the answer is very simple.


I'd say PS4 will be 20m more than that, but the rest looks pretty much what I'd have said. And the underlined is of course very true.



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Shaunaka said:
Mummelmann said:
RolStoppable said:
 

2) Yes, you absolutely have to make such predictions when you make the claim that the console market isn't shrinking. Actually, you not only have to provide such numbers, you'll also have to explain (in a succinct manner) how each system is going to get there.


Huzzah, more or less exactly what I'm thinking as well. If you make fantastic claims; you need to build a fantastic case for it.

I actually think it's going to be roughly equal to the last gen.

Which is fantastic to you?

You missed the part about building the case.



It's only natural that the market will see a contraction at some point, particularly when the Wii provided such a boost last gen. It's like saying that every new Call of Duty game is forever going to outsell the last. At some point there will be a decline unless something new, different, or major takes place. People also need to take things like Japan no longer being a major player in the console race into account.

Unless something unforeseen happens, like Project Morpheus being some unexpected success or this gen lasting much longer than many of us think it will, then I have little doubt that this generation's total console sales will not match the last.



Whilst I don't think gen8 will outsell gen7 I see a lot of people here saying XOne won't outsell 360.

I don't see why thats not a big possibility. Its obvious Nintendo are gonna see massive declines but I think both PS4 and XOne have great potential to outsell their predecessors. Not enough to cancel out the 80m or so Nintendo are gonna lose but growth all the same.

@Shadow1980 where did you get that data from? More specifically the 3rd gen European data? Its the first time I've ever seen European Master System data.



As traditional gaming consoles they probably already shrunk in the 7th Gen.

I know several people who bought a PS3 just to watch BluRays as an example. Hell Sony Australia even game away free PS3s as BluRay players if you purchased their LCD or PLASMA TVs.

Now look at 8th gen, handhelds are WAY down compared to last. Mobiles have eaten away at them. PSP in my opinion only did so well cause it had additional functionality (music, movies etc..) that the DS didn't. Now that smart phones can do all that people don't really need a VITA.

As for consoles I can only see them growing because of their multimedia functions connected to a TV.

On a side note, look at all the limited edition consoles that have come out last gen and this gen so far. Lots of dedicated gamers will buy these "limited edition" consoles so the numbers are already inflated of actual gamers. Case in point is 3DS, they had at least 6-8 limited edition systems. I know I bought several of them as collectibles lol I also know others who done the same.



 

 

@Shadow1980 also that Japanese data should include PC Engine, it was a very significant piece of HW there.