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Why not a powerful and innovative console



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m

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t3mporary_126 said:
oniyide said:
t3mporary_126 said:

Interesting perspective. Do you think Iwata and his board can create a new Nintendo home console next gen that recaptures the arcade/Wii ideals? Or is it too early to say?

And do you think Nintendo can never make a console that captures arcade/Wii ideals and PC like gaming that can sale more than 100 million?


one could make the argument that these ideals have already been met...by tablets and smart phones


Perhaps. But I think we can both agree there is nothing more responsive and arcade like than physical joy stick, control pad, physical buttons, and etc versus a touch screen that has a hard time playing the orignal Super Mario Bros. without lag or timing issues.


oh thats all true. BUT i would argue that people dont seem to care all that much about what is responsive at least not as much as we liked them too. Otherwise IMHO Wii would have never taken off the way it did and phones and tablets would not be used for games like they have been. Hell DS had its touchscreen dont think it would have been anywhere near as popular without it.



small44 said:
Why not a powerful and innovative console

Probably because it would cost a metric ton to make. Can you imagine how much it would cost to make the Wii U if it was on par with the PS4 in terms of specs AND had the gamepad as its controller?



 

UltimateUnknown said:
small44 said:
Why not a powerful and innovative console

Probably because it would cost a metric ton to make. Can you imagine how much it would cost to make the Wii U if it was on par with the PS4 in terms of specs AND had the gamepad as its controller?


aren't the wii u sold at 300 dollars at launch if it was more powerfull it could be sold at 400-450 dollars and it will encourage 3rd party to support it and then it will attract both hardcore gamers who like graphics and casuals who want innovative things.



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m

small44 said:
UltimateUnknown said:
small44 said:
Why not a powerful and innovative console

Probably because it would cost a metric ton to make. Can you imagine how much it would cost to make the Wii U if it was on par with the PS4 in terms of specs AND had the gamepad as its controller?


aren't the wii u sold at 300 dollars at launch if it was more powerfull it could be sold at 400-450 dollars and it will encourage 3rd party to support it and then it will attract both hardcore gamers who like graphics and casuals who want innovative things.

Wii U is selling poorly at $300, with a $400+ price tag it would be lucky to sell 20k per week.

It would not encourage 3rd parties, multiplat games very rarely sell well on Nintendo consoles, its been that way for going on 20 years now. Increasing power wont all of a sudden cause 3rd parties to jump on board or the PS/Xbox crowd to jump on board either.

Ur scenario is basically Wii U, trying to chase down both hardcore and casual gamers but failing hard at both, only this is worse because the price is $100-150 more expensive.



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zorg1000 said:
small44 said:
UltimateUnknown said:
small44 said:
Why not a powerful and innovative console

Probably because it would cost a metric ton to make. Can you imagine how much it would cost to make the Wii U if it was on par with the PS4 in terms of specs AND had the gamepad as its controller?


aren't the wii u sold at 300 dollars at launch if it was more powerfull it could be sold at 400-450 dollars and it will encourage 3rd party to support it and then it will attract both hardcore gamers who like graphics and casuals who want innovative things.

Wii U is selling poorly at $300, with a $400+ price tag it would be lucky to sell 20k per week.

It would not encourage 3rd parties, multiplat games very rarely sell well on Nintendo consoles, its been that way for going on 20 years now. Increasing power wont all of a sudden cause 3rd parties to jump on board or the PS/Xbox crowd to jump on board either.

Ur scenario is basically Wii U, trying to chase down both hardcore and casual gamers but failing hard at both, only this is worse because the price is $100-150 more expensive.


Wii u is selling poorly at 300$  because it has  a bad support from 3rd party and that's because people don't buy their game,why people would buy game like Assasin Creed or Call of duty  on wii u when those game are better looking on it's competitor.

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PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m

They have to make a product that is very accessible from both the price, software and interface perspectives, just like NES, Wii, NDS and Gameboy were. It's not really about being more innovative or making gimmicks.



RolStoppable said:
t3mporary_126 said:

Interesting perspective. Do you think Iwata and his board can create a new Nintendo home console next gen that recaptures the arcade/Wii ideals? Or is it too early to say?

And do you think Nintendo can never make a console that captures arcade/Wii ideals and PC like gaming that can sale more than 100 million?

1) Sure, they can. The question is if they will. It's too early to say what they will do.

2) Wii ideals and PC gaming are at odds with each other, so no, Nintendo can't make a console that combines both and be successful with it. Nevermind that a prerequisite is that third parties are willing to put their games on Nintendo's machine and that's something that's not going to happen. There are several third parties who will never bother.

As for smartphones and tablets meeting the Wii ideals, nope. They are portable PCs and as such they offer the low end PC gaming type of stuff, i.e. flash and browser games. That kind of stuff already existed and was popular pre-Wii, and it didn't hurt Nintendo.


NES.



oniyide said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
They need a product which seems cool and software that provides value.

The first part is a major problem with Wii U. Wii's style and brand was fresh at release. 6 years later it wasn't. Wii U should have gone in a whole new design, one that appealed to people who want the latest thing. By the time Wii U's life is done it will be wearing clothes more than a decade old.

The second problem can only be solved by Nintendo acquiring more 1st/2nd party studios or gaining 3rd party support. A Nintendo console with full 3rd party backing would be an extremely compelling sell. Certain 3rd parties don't want Nintendo in the console business, however, so that's easier said than done. Picking up two large studios, ones that can produce one AAA a year each, would help address the issue, especially if they were making games in genres such as shooters, RPGs, racing sims and mature adventure titles - and making them well. As it stands, Nintendo simply does not have the amount of software and the software diversity to compete with MS and Sony for many gamers. They need to expand or woo 3rd parties in a big way.

what was the lastest thing? Exactly, you CANT replicate the WIi every gen, thats impossible

You missunderstood.  I wasn't saying that they needed the latest idea like motion controls.  I was saying they needed to LOOK like they did.  Wii's look was fresh back in '06.  No other console had the simple white design, clear buttons, small from, etc.  PS360 looked tacky by comparisson.  The name as well, Wii, was strange and catchy.

Wii U was not fresh or different.  The design language is 8 years old.  Even if all it was inside was the Wii U, and it still had the tablet controlelr, if they gave it a new name like, I don't know, the Zhuio or some other messed up shit, and it had a fresh modern look - perhaps brushed alluminum or glass accents, more LED lighting or some other modern trend, casual byers may have looked at it like a fresh product.  The tablet, too, looks low-tech compared to iPads.  The look of the system needs to be fresh and cool.

There are other flaws with Wii U, too, but the major short comings are image and software support.  If Nintendo wants to reclaim the sales lead in the future, they need a more diverse software lineup and a fresh-looking system and branding (with marketing).



Nintendo needs to embrace online capabilities for gaming and social aspects, not everyone has friends or family that play together irl. They need to learn that people these days like to pal around on the net.