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bananaking21 on 12 April 2014
Chris Hu said:

I guess your reading comprehension is off this thread is about system sellers which MLB The Show isn't and never will be.


im assuming thats directed at me. i guess i have to admit it though. all my points above, specially about how a thread is derailed clearly show that i have some serious comprehension problems. thanks for being patient with me though and teaching me that an author can derail his own thread by simply making statements and points in the OP. 



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Chris Hu on 12 April 2014

Well the OP brought up the show as system seller which it isn't in that category only Madden, FIFA and NBA 2K are system sellers. 



Chris Hu on 12 April 2014
the-pi-guy said:
Chris Hu said:

A franchise that consisently sells over a million units on a single console when it comes to sports games there are only three Madden, NBA 2K and FIFA.

So that's what a system seller is.  

I thought it was something that was an incentive for someone to buy a system, thus from a store's point of view to be "selling systems", thus "System Seller."

But I see now that I missed that part of the definition.  But who came up with such a definition?  


Comon sense came up with that definition if not you could claim that every game is a system seller.



Chris Hu on 12 April 2014

Where did I say that it has to sell over a million in its first week I think you are seeing thinks that aren't there.



darkshadow23 on 12 April 2014

The first MLB game on next gen systems should sell quite a few systems. The future MLB games might not, but the first one should.



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Chris Hu on 12 April 2014
pezus said:
Chris Hu said:

Where did I say that it has to sell over a million in its first week I think you are seeing thinks that aren't there.

No, I am one-upping you by using your own argument against you. Don't you see how silly it is to make 1m a requirement? That means a game can't be a system seller in its first week if less than 1m bought it. If 1.01m bought it in a week it would be a system seller I guess.


Well the fact remains that MLB The Show isn't a system seller and never will be since no game in the entire franchise came even close to selling one million units on a single console the best selling game in the franchise was MLB 2000 and that came out 15 years ago on the PS1.



Frogger on 12 April 2014
pezus said:
DerNebel said:
spemanig said:
"MLB in April. Watchdogs in May. The last of us in Summer. Destiny in September. Order 1886 around Holiday 2014."

Oh boy.

First, none of those are "major pushes" except for The Order 1886. The Last of Us will barely push anything because most PS4 owners that would care probably owned a PS3 and already played the game there, and Watch_Dogs already pushed all the next gen systems it would have last holiday season during the launch period. MLB will push exactly nothing and Destiny will push what every multiplay pushes, which is nothing.

The PS4 will obviously outsell the XBO this year, but let's not be delusional about the reasons why be pretending that the year is riddled with killer apps and hardware pushing games.

bolded: That is absolutely false. Multiplats, just as every other type of game, push consoles. Just look at what GTA pushed last year or what Cod pushes every year. Considering that about 90% of all games are multiplats it is safe to say that multiplats push the majority of consoles.

Agreed. Destiny should be one of the biggest system sellers this year. It will give both PS4 and X1 a boost, but PS4 probably more so due to Sony's deal with Bungie/Activision

I think I'm being misunderstood. I was using hyperbole when saying that multiplats don't push systems. They do, but you're not going to see a situation where having a multiplat like Destiny will give one platform the edge over the other, like what the OP is suggesting. This isn't COD on the 360 anymore. Destiny will sell more on the PS4 than the XBO because the PS4 has a larger installed base, not because the PS4 is "the definitive Destiny console" like what the 360 was to COD. In that light, was I saying that Destiny will push "exactly no PS4's." And by "exactly no," I meant "not enough to be considered at all signifigant."

You won't be seeing a signifigant amount of people specifically purchasing a PS4 over the XBO for Destiny because of any particular benefits that the game has on the PS4 over the XBO is what I'm trying to get across. The "Destiny boost sales" will come from people who want a next get system so badly, but are just waiting for a game to justify the purchase, and are too moronic to realize that a game available on the current gen system they already own isn't a justifiable reason to purchase next gen hardware. These people have already made up their mind on what console they wanted with no regard to Destiny, because it's a multiplat.



Chris Hu on 12 April 2014
pezus said:
Chris Hu said:
pezus said:
Chris Hu said:

Where did I say that it has to sell over a million in its first week I think you are seeing thinks that aren't there.

No, I am one-upping you by using your own argument against you. Don't you see how silly it is to make 1m a requirement? That means a game can't be a system seller in its first week if less than 1m bought it. If 1.01m bought it in a week it would be a system seller I guess.


Well the fact remains that MLB The Show isn't a system seller and never will be since no game in the entire franchise came even close to selling one million units on a single console the best selling game in the franchise was MLB 2000 and that came out 15 years ago on the PS1.

If you say so, Chris.

Just some advice for the future: You don't determine what's a fact. Especially when virtually everyone disagrees with you. When you are able to back up your claims with facts, I might rejoin this discussion. Until then, this is pointless for everyone involved. You can keep your uncommon sense. Hopefully it will spread and become common as sense properly should.

I doubt you will buy the game and the majority of the rest of the people in Europe will also avoid the game like the plague.  The game will probably sell around 300K even if you have very low standards that isn't a system seller.



Dr.Henry_Killinger on 12 April 2014
Chris Hu said:

Well the fact remains that MLB The Show isn't a system seller and never will be since no game in the entire franchise came even close to selling one million units on a single console the best selling game in the franchise was MLB 2000 and that came out 15 years ago on the PS1.

Allow me to help

#math

mlb 13 sales(ps3) < 500,000

mlb 13 sales(ps3) = mlb 13 (exclusive) - 2k (multiplat)

mlb 14 sales(ps4) ~= mlb 14 sales(ps4) -mlb 14 sales(ps4) - (other competiton)(0)

mlb 14 sales(ps4) ~= 500,000+

1/500,000+ chance of mlb the show 14 not selling at least one PS4

QED

mlb 14 will move consoles...



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Dr.Henry_Killinger on 12 April 2014
Chris Hu said:
pezus said:
Chris Hu said:
pezus said:
Chris Hu said:

Where did I say that it has to sell over a million in its first week I think you are seeing thinks that aren't there.

No, I am one-upping you by using your own argument against you. Don't you see how silly it is to make 1m a requirement? That means a game can't be a system seller in its first week if less than 1m bought it. If 1.01m bought it in a week it would be a system seller I guess.


Well the fact remains that MLB The Show isn't a system seller and never will be since no game in the entire franchise came even close to selling one million units on a single console the best selling game in the franchise was MLB 2000 and that came out 15 years ago on the PS1.

If you say so, Chris.

Just some advice for the future: You don't determine what's a fact. Especially when virtually everyone disagrees with you. When you are able to back up your claims with facts, I might rejoin this discussion. Until then, this is pointless for everyone involved. You can keep your uncommon sense. Hopefully it will spread and become common as sense properly should.

I doubt you will buy the game and the majority of the rest of the people in Europe will also avoid the game like the plague.  The game will probably sell around 300K even if you have very low standards that isn't a system seller.

an argument built on fallacies is wrong.



In this day and age, with the Internet, ignorance is a choice! And they're still choosing Ignorance! - Dr. Filthy Frank