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I played GT6 at 1080p and noticed some screen tearing and slowdown so I decided to switch it to 720p. Immediately after seeing how jaggy things were, I switched it back. It's one of those things where you aren't really bothered by 720p, until you see it in 1080p.



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lt_dan_27 said:
kirby007 said:

since the launch of HD tellies and consoles prior to gen 8 only have a few games making that target


Almosy every gen 8 game has done 1080p... on the ps4. You're right, only severaly games have been 1080p for the xbone. As of now, BF4 is the only AAA title that isn't 1080p on the ps4. This also isn't a valide arguments. So you're telling me that it's ok if we don't make progress graphically in a console gen. That's what you're making it sound like. It's not that we can't survive without it, it's that we want a difference between console gens. 

Uh, what? Ryse isn't 1080p but it sure as hell looks like a generation leap over PS3/360. Killzone 6 MP isn't 1080p but I would bet you can tell its advanced quite a bit graphically if you put it next to Killzone 3. Your example, Battlefield 4, might not be 1080p, but its advanced enough to support 64 players, huge maps, and 60fps on consoles. But I guess that's not advanced enough since it's only 900p or whatever.

The problem isn't "LOL u dont want any advanced graphics????//". The problem is it has become this:

Even the BF you speak of, the PS4 box says 1080p on the back. It's become a stupid number to be thrown out to appease people who can't even tell the difference themselves, yet will use that 1080p sticker to make sure everyone else knows their game is superior and really next gen, and your game sucks because it doesn't hit this magical number.

It started out as a small annoyance but now thanks to awesome next gen games and the KZ6 lulz, it's become something that makes me pity gamers who emphasize such an irrelevant aspect of a game.



PS1/PS2, Xbox and Gamecube look like crap on any "HD" TV. And the jump to 720P was a big then. This gen is no different. Though, the visual leap is not as pronounced as 480p to 720p.

If we look at phones and tablets.. same thing. Once you get used to seeing better screens, its hard to go back. It's why many PC gamers snub at resolution and graphics wars on consoles. We've had games in high resolution on PC way before "HD" came along and became the marketing buzzword as it is today.



You know what? All of this 1080p talk made me pretty excited to see it for myself. When I finally got the PS4 and played a few games, just like the 7th gen, all I saw was a sharp picture of some detailed games. It didn't change my life any more than playing MGS3 on 3DS and then going back and playing it on PSVita. As gamers, we really do take the most insignificant thing (In my opinion--VGC law dictated that I MUST say that when posting my opinion) and blow it out of proportion. For a minute, despite already seeing/playing 1080p games like Wipeout HD Fury, people on this site somehow convinced me that at 1080p, Lara Croft would pop out of my TV and touch me on the wiener.

My wiener remains untouched.



Mr Puggsly said:
Nem said:

People need justification to invest on a new platform. The fact is, if its to keep the same resolutions and Frames per seconds, why bother with new systems (from the consumer point of view)? There needs to be an upgrade.

1) You're out of touch with the AVERAGE consumer point of view.

2) There is more to graphics than resolution and frames per second.

3) "Upgrading" to 1080p and 60 fps at all times means lower quality visuals.


1) Its a proven fact by Psychology that people need to rationalise and justify their purchase decision to achieve cognitive balance. I have a Degree on Marketing, i know what i'm talking about.

2) I never said there wasnt, i said people feel the need to rationalise their purchase decisions and thus give it importance. These people beeing the vocal people in the internet (these are the ones we are talking about, not the AVERAGE consumer as you put it. Those obviously dont even know what resolution these numbers mean). Though i firmly believe 60fps will benefit any game.

3) Alot depends on that, so its not necessarely true.



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d21lewis said:
You know what? All of this 1080p talk made me pretty excited to see it for myself. When I finally got the PS4 and played a few games, just like the 7th gen, all I saw was a sharp picture of some detailed games. It didn't change my life any more than playing MGS3 on 3DS and then going back and playing it on PSVita. As gamers, we really do take the most insignificant thing (In my opinion--VGC law dictated that I MUST say that when posting my opinion) and blow it out of proportion. For a minute, despite seeing 1080p games like Wipeout HD Fury, I was somehow convinced that at 1080p, Lara Croft would pop out of my TV and touch me on the wiener.

My wiener remains untouched.

Come to Japan, I am currently developing a game in UE4, you can see it running with full 8192x8192 textures running at 8K on a prototype display, if that doesn't touch your wiener, games never will.



That was when our standards and expectations were lower.



    

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J_Allard said:
lt_dan_27 said:
kirby007 said:

since the launch of HD tellies and consoles prior to gen 8 only have a few games making that target


Almosy every gen 8 game has done 1080p... on the ps4. You're right, only severaly games have been 1080p for the xbone. As of now, BF4 is the only AAA title that isn't 1080p on the ps4. This also isn't a valide arguments. So you're telling me that it's ok if we don't make progress graphically in a console gen. That's what you're making it sound like. It's not that we can't survive without it, it's that we want a difference between console gens. 

Uh, what? Ryse isn't 1080p but it sure as hell looks like a generation leap over PS3/360. Killzone 6 MP isn't 1080p but I would bet you can tell its advanced quite a bit graphically if you put it next to Killzone 3. Your example, Battlefield 4, might not be 1080p, but its advanced enough to support 64 players, huge maps, and 60fps on consoles. But I guess that's not advanced enough since it's only 900p or whatever.

The problem isn't "LOL u dont want any advanced graphics????//". The problem is it has become this:


Even the BF you speak of, the PS4 box says 1080p on the back. It's become a stupid number to be thrown out to appease people who can't even tell the difference themselves, yet will use that 1080p sticker to make sure everyone else knows their game is superior and really next gen, and your game sucks because it doesn't hit this magical number.

It started out as a small annoyance but now thanks to awesome next gen games and the KZ6 lulz, it's become something that makes me pity gamers who emphasize such an irrelevant aspect of a game.

Killzone sf is 1080p single player and multiplayer. People try throwing out 960x1080 I believe. Look at an interview with the producers of the game. It mostlly 1080p, but parts of the farame are in a lower resolution to keep performance up. It's pretty common in the gaming industry to do this to boost performance. Most people would just never comment on it. 
And no, res isn't the only thing in a game. As a hardcore PC gamer, I'm very aware of this. But the fac of the matter is, there's basically always a resolution increase between generations. Also, the number of pixels displayed on the screen makes a large difference on other things that can be displayed, like details and AA. 



For some reason I've always enjoyed aliasing. There's just a certain charm about it that I find... well charming. Like I can still play the original Star Fox on SNES with no problems and have loads of fun. But, to be fair, it's more of a nostalgia thing, and razor sharp games are always welcome.



People come to expect a certain standard when they get tired of the "old" one. No matter how whiny and ridiculous these people look to be, it will soon become the standard no matter what. Then, once 1080p gets old, they'll start whining about 5k or whatever else is next. It's a cycle, like many other things.