I love Jega's thread. Need more of him than the never ending spamming threads by avigwake.

Go Jega!

It's like trying to argue that 1 is more than 2.

My brain hurts after reading things like these...It's as if these posters are trying to convince me and others that a circle is really a square.

Good one OP, but I'm moving on and so should you.

No.




Wait wait wait.... no.

Did you not see the Tomb Raider game which runs ~60fps on PS4 and ~30 on the X1? Are you going to tell us less is more now?

Point 1. So you're saying that the xbox one is as powerful as the ps4 because you can't tell the difference? That's not really a valid point. I can tell the difference between 1080p and 720p on a 23 inch tv from accross a room. I'm not saying that everyone can do that, but the average (below average considering that fact that I where contacts) human eye can do this means that there's differently a noticable difference. It has more than twice as many pixels, that's a lot. You're also failing to realize that the graphics on xbox one are downgraded in other aspects (anti-aliasing, textures, shadows, etc). This entire argument doesn't make any point about either's power, except that the ps4 is twice as strong. 

Point 2. When the only thing that's changed is resolution, the ps4 can probably get 60fps at 1080p when the xbox one gets the same framerate at 720p (COD). Or a significanty higher framerate when the the same/slightly lower res (TR, and a lot of gamers have said that xbone appears to be a lower res). Your point about infamous SS isn't valid. If the game were ported to xbox one, it would need to run lower than 900p to acheive a similar framerate. So ms is delivering in one isolated incident on what matters to YOU. And I know you're directly referencing TF, which IGN is saying is having framerate problems. 

Point 3.  You're wrong about the power advantage over the ps4. The ps4 has a stronger GPU, by about 1.5 times, just in raw performance. There's also more ROPS and other parts that are usually overlooked.  The near 50% is also accounting for the GPU's higher clock, especially considering the power reserved for kinnect. There's also the RAM bandwidth. The PS4 has a 170gb/s memory bandwidth I believe (might be a little lower/higher). The xbox one's has a bandwidth of 190 gb/s and 66gb/s for the esram and DDR3 respectively. This does not translate into an overall higher bandwidth, as you don't just simply add together the bandwidth as Major Nelson did, which has been said by many tech analysts. It's also been stated by various devs that the esram is hard to program for, encombering, and possibly a bottleneck for the system overall, as 32mb ram is barely enough for anything with. 

Your BUT WAIT! point, is already proven false. PC and ps4 are being used as the main platforms of developement, and then the games are being scaled down so they can be playable on the xbox one. I don't even know why you would try to use this as a point when almost EVERY game on the ps4 performs better than on the xbox one, with exception of sports games, which perform the same on both. And so far, devs might be able to ignore the other platforms considering the ps4 is currently commanding close to a 70% market share in 2014. And the overall marketshare is growing by a couple percent every week. So if they are developing for both platforms, they might as well raise res or framerate because they can. 

I've already eplained your whole esram argument, but I want to keep going. So listening to an MS employee about stuff he wouldn't know about makes no sense. Now I want you to consider this before you keep assuming that you just add up the to bandwidths. If the ps4 added a kilobyte of esram to it's pool and got it to 1000 gb/s (which is very possible), would it now have a bandwidth of 1176? It's more extreme, but the same concept. And I also don't know where your 25% stronger arugment comes from. Assuming your logic of the sum bandwidth idea, the PS4 would still be about 4 or 5 percent stronger (50% stronger gpu vs 46% higher bandwidth).  The ps4 also has a secondary CPU, allowing fewer resources of the main system being used to run background tasks. The question on this point isn't if the xbox one is stronger, but how much stronger than the xbox one the ps4 is. Even Microsoft has come out and said that the PS4 is stronger, just accept it. 

Also, before I say anything about tiled resources. I want you to explain to me what tiled resources are. No copy and past, your words because I'm betting it's more than likely that you don't know what it is. 

You are so full of shit I actually spent the time to sign up and tell you that you are full of shit. You have zero credentials and zero knowledge about how the GPU and RAM work together in a system such as the PS4/XB1. Joke thread indeed.

Speed of the memory only has a little bearing on how the GPU will ultimately behave. Think of it this way, the eSRAM is a 5 lane highway about 1 mile long being merged into a 3 lane highway the rest of the way ( the 3 lane highway being the GPU). Essentially, the GPU is not fast enough to process what's in the framebuffer.  That's all it is. What a waste of bandwidth your post was.

Toastboy, is that you?

Very silly thread

Honestly never tell if people are joking or just stupid. Very hard to determine

I remember you! You used to make loads of pro xbox threads many months ago.