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There are good third party games out there. As in not all third parties are about nickel and diming you.

You just need to be smart about it. I hardly feel like I'm getting ripped off and I play plenty of third party games.



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superchunk said:
st0pnsw0p said:

Then you are spending money on newer hardware, only it's a PC instead of a console. Otherwise, it's the same thing.

facepalm.

Are you fucking seriously comparing building a new pc every so often with a single purpose gaming console? I use gaming on my PC for less than 10% of its time. I build a new PC every so often just because I need/want to have a new PC for all of uses that far outweigh any potential gaming impact. Hell I don't even consider much gaming needs. I never buy high-end GPU.

I'm not  PC gamer. I am only considering steam due to its often very cheap way to buy games that do not come on Nintendo hardware. So for those games like Civ or humble bundle deals, etc ... I can do that.

Granted, as many know I am trending to walk away from PC completely for Chromebook. So if that does happen, then yes Steam will be gone too unless its opened to ChromeOS at some point. With SteamOS coming, its unlikely... and while I've contemplated building a steambox... I am now certain I never will.

You said:

"It may only be very limited 3rd party games that are not on Nintendo consoles and I will always own a PC, so I'm not also putting out money on additional hardware."

But if you don't even use PC to play games, I don't get why you even brought up PC in the first place, and if you do play on PC, it doesn't matter that games aren't the reason you upgrade it Either way, you still upgrade it and you still play games on it that require an upgrade compared to whatever PC you owned before.



Train wreck said:

Well going by your google doc link, outside 3rd party games from 25 years ago, your scope in 3rd party game seems extremely limited to just majority EA franchises and franchises who new releases will most likely not grace the Wii U.  I mean if you have played more 3rd party titles over the course of the 25 years them I can somewhat (not really) see your point but you have been a majority Nintendo guy all your life so you saying what you did in the OP was not even warranted, you were most likely not going to by another console anyway (as you mentioned giddily when you created a thread about selling your PS3).

Did you look at the same doc I created?

NES - greater majority was 3rd party
SNES/N64 - about 50%
GC - only four games total, one was 3rd (capcom)
Wii - about 50%
PS3 - greater majority
WiiU - Currently about 50%

Then of course PC is all... and when you say EA, you really only mean Battlefield.



Fusioncode said:
superchunk said:
NintendoPie said:

If these are "the times" I hope Nintendo never joins them. Whole new landscapes of a game like Zelda put in to DLC? What a bother that would be.

I don't like that idea either.

NSMBU is perfect example. They did not add DLC to bring worlds 10 and 11 and 12. They added a wholly new game NSLU that is a completely different gameplay idea and it added a ton of value to the existing base. Hell, it was even sold as a stand alone disc game due to its awesomeness.

Pikmin3 is another good example. They've added completely new maps/games/etc for multiplayer and they do that as bundles. Clearly new games that appeal to those who really liked the multiplayer/challenge games but not any part of the main game.

Again, both examples of the 1995 image above.

So expansions are a good thing when Nintendo does them, but greedy when everyone else does it. Lots of double standards in this thread.  

Expansions are bad when they are already on the disc, and 3rd parties charge people to unlock them (ie, Capcom). Nintendo doesn't do this. When they release DLC, it is an actual expansion like the '99 picture. They don't try to sell you what was supposed to be in the original game for extra. 



Fusioncode said:

So expansions are a good thing when Nintendo does them, but greedy when everyone else does it. Lots of double standards in this thread.  

No. I didn't say that. My point on 3rd parties isn't true expansions such as map packs. But day one DLC, new outfits/characters in fighting games, etc.

A map pack a few months in for $15 for an FPS is a good value. A day one DLC that unlocks a couple maps already present on disc and or unlocks characters in fighting games, pisses me off.



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st0pnsw0p said:

You said:

"It may only be very limited 3rd party games that are not on Nintendo consoles and I will always own a PC, so I'm not also putting out money on additional hardware."

But if you don't even use PC to play games, I don't get why you even brought up PC in the first place, and if you do play on PC, it doesn't matter that games aren't the reason you upgrade it Either way, you still upgrade it and you still play games on it that require an upgrade compared to whatever PC you owned before.

sorry... so edit my quote to reflect what its obvious meaning was "... putting out money on additional gaming hardware."



superchunk said:
Fusioncode said:

So expansions are a good thing when Nintendo does them, but greedy when everyone else does it. Lots of double standards in this thread.  

No. I didn't say that. My point on 3rd parties isn't true expansions such as map packs. But day one DLC, new outfits/characters in fighting games, etc.

A map pack a few months in for $15 for an FPS is a good value. A day one DLC that unlocks a couple maps already present on disc and or unlocks characters in fighting games, pisses me off.

I agree with you there, day one DLC is bullshit and I refuse to support it, but not all developers do that sort of thing. Plenty of them use expansions wisely and without screwing over the consumer. 



Sigs are dumb. And so are you!

Then the wii u might be the last home console you ever buy :o



Not sure if trolling or serious. Either way, I would ban your ass for a while so you can cool off a bit. ;)



superchunk said:
st0pnsw0p said:

NSLU was sold as a standalone because there are less people who by DLC than there are people who buy full games, so if it was seen as a full game, more people would buy it. It's most certainly not because of its "awesomeness".

And extra levels are extra levels. NSLU has a slightly shorter time limit and one new character, which really isn't enough to make it a "completely different gameplay idea".

That Pikmin example is exaclty what every single online FPS does. They give you new multiplayer maps in exchange for money. I don't get how you can cite this as an example of Nintendo doing it better than everyone else.

No that is not the same.

Pikmin3 was wholly new content.

Most DLC out there is a new character in a fighting game or an additional map that is already on the disc, etc. Big differences.

In 1995, yes it was true DLC and wholly new content. The cases where and FPS gives you a new set of maps, is wholly new content. But that is becoming far less of an occurance.

 

EDIT: Also NSLU is a complete different gameplay mechanic. Luigi's movement and jump is a lot different than Mario's and that creates a far different experience in a platforming game. Plus the limited time makes the difficulty to complete the level higher. They are very much different.

Why not?

It was a map-pack, which is not what I, personally, woud call "wholly new content". It's a different way to play the same game, just like all map-packs.

"Most" is an exaggeration. On-disc DLC exists, but it is in the minority. And you clearly don't have  problem with map-packs so I don't get why you're bashing it here. A new character is the fighting game equivalent to the map-pack: a different way to play the same game.

It's not becoming less common. It's even more common now, I'd say. Uncharted, Battlefield, CoD, Titanfall, Pikmin nd many others have map-packs. Map-Packs are absolutely everywhere.

Luigi controlss a bit different from Mario, the time limit is smaller and there are new levels. That is not, to me, a "completely different gameplay mechanic". It is, like all DLC and expansion packs ever released, a different way to play the same game.