mutantsushi said:
Sharu said:
Talal said:
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No. In fact most people in Russia don't care about sexual orientation of others. As we say - we don't care what you doing in your beds and in your homes.
...But when those idiots (so called LGBT activists) were saying that thay will go to schools and kindergardens and explain children that they should fusk in the ass... If they do it - it will be heavy casualties. And the new law which gives penalties for propaganda of gay relations to the children - mostly saves these fools from heavy beating.
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Just to point out that reasoning is just absurd... To be clear, I don't see anything unique about Russia there, it was not much different to the US or Western Europe not really that long ago, and not much different to many other countries, including Lithuania who is EU member yet had a similar law recently without Western condemnation (that's what NATO is about, human rights and democracy).
But saying you don't care about what happens in other people's beds, but then happening to intensely care when "non-traditional" sex is neutrally discussed just isn't coherent. Nobody is trying to "convince" anybody to change their ways, it's just about honest open-ness of reality, with homosexuality seen in most animals as well as humans. Nobody is going to be convinced by some sex ed lessons that girls/guys (as appropriate) aren't the hot stuff you want in your bed, nobody would want that because gay people themself have the experience of conforming to a society pretending to have desires they don't really have. Children are just as protected against molestation and any under-age sex is legally prosecuted in the US, although of course the legal definition of "children" includes teenagers who would just like to have sex with each other, whether they are gay or straight, and that is what sex education is about (and that started in the West way before any open-ness to homosexuality).
Ultimately it just seem immoral to ignore the actual experiences of gay people whom you claim to have no problem with their consensual relationships, who can recount their entire childhood and teenage years being fraught with intimidation and oppression, even just bullies who could "sense they were different" even if they hadn't yet realized their "gay-ness". If it's not illegal to be gay, then it shouldn't un-necessarily be hell on earth by suffering the prejudices of people who hate that somebody else might be gay. Trying to rope in things like pedophilia with homosexuality is just so disingenouous, and seems to actively distract from real efforts to protect children from such things, which is often 'heterosexual' in nature.
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Matter of opinion. I'm against that my chilldren saw male to male sexual propaganda. Because when chilldren see something that grown ups do, they often think it's how it supposed to be. If you ok with that, it's your own position. But in Russia, masses are against it. That law is just insure what most people want.
Nothing against gay people, and I think that normal gay people won't try to spread propaganda or something like that. Only insecure or mentaly unstable will.
