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Kasz216 on 06 March 2014
the2real4mafol said:
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The way Afghanistan was progressing before war kicked off, it would of been like a western country. This would've been by choice. No one forced them to do that. All these wars changed things though and now the fundamentalists are holding it all back. I'm not saying they should be like us, but alot of stuff like that is acceptable here was happening there. 

'Development' not only means improving economy but the change in society to make it better for themselves. I don't know what is colonialist about that. But obviously, that is not Afghanistan anymore. 

The Afghanistan we see now has gone backwards and faces many problems that the west can't deal with for them. They need to want to improve their society away from the volatile and dangerous Taliban, which is what seems to cause alot of the ongoing issues. It's like an endless cycle now. 


Except, without the west, Afgthanistan would only move towards the Taliban.

Also, it's not like the opposite of the Taliban is particularly non-violent and dangerous... as the opposite is more or less Drug Warlords.  Karzai's brother is a drug warlord. (Or was, he might have died?)

The only real difference is that the Drug Lords work mostly on a profit motive and can be steered away from violence.



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the2real4mafol on 06 March 2014
Kasz216 said:
the2real4mafol said:
Final-Fan said:
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No matter who did 9/11, the American invasion of Afghanistan was neither justified and can't be justified. Just my opinion. 

Wait, don't tell me you are a 9/11 conspiracy theorist.

I had more respect for you then that.

No i'm not a conspiracy theorist (I laugh at those crazy bastards) but i'm not sure if the chaos from 9/11 was worth the invasion of a country. Bit much really. Makes an eye for an eye seem sane if the invasion was really about revenge.

Why did Bush invade Iraq for then?  



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sales2099 on 06 March 2014

People criticize their presence, then watch them leave and see the country go to hell when they do. Then ask those people what they think.



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the2real4mafol on 06 March 2014
Final-Fan said:
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Afghanistan was sheltering the organization behind the attacks, fool. 

Any actual proof the 9/11 bombers came from Afghanistan or Iraq?

What you are asking is not what I said.  Let me try to put it more simply so you can understand. 
1.  "Al Qaeda" was responsible for the attacks on September 11, 2001, at the World Trade Center and elsewhere. 

2.  Leadership of Al Qaeda was in Afghanistan, and the leadership in Afghanistan ("the Taliban") knew that they were there and had access to them. 

3.  The Taliban said that they would turn over the leadership of Al Qaeda if they were responsible for the attacks, but also said that they did not believe that that was the case. 

4.  NATO fucked them up. 

Now admittedly, my little jaunt to the Wikipedia article makes the U.S. sound more dickish than I was aware was the case, but I hope your ignorance on Afghanistan's involvement has been corrected. 

No matter who did 9/11, the American invasion of Afghanistan was neither justified and can't be justified. Just my opinion.

"No matter who"

So hypothetically, if the Taliban had directly planned the attacks and Taliban forces hijacked the planes and flew them into the towers, it still wouldn't have been justified? 

Maybe it would of been a just war but only if it could be proven. The problem with the Taliban is they are not a typical enemy, it's not a country you are fighting. It's a international network of fundamentalists you are fighting, this makes it very hard to find the enemy yet alone fight them



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the2real4mafol on 06 March 2014
Kasz216 said:
the2real4mafol said:
Kasz216 said:
the2real4mafol said:
Kasz216 said:

 

 

 

 

The way Afghanistan was progressing before war kicked off, it would of been like a western country. This would've been by choice. No one forced them to do that. All these wars changed things though and now the fundamentalists are holding it all back. I'm not saying they should be like us, but alot of stuff like that is acceptable here was happening there. 

'Development' not only means improving economy but the change in society to make it better for themselves. I don't know what is colonialist about that. But obviously, that is not Afghanistan anymore. 

The Afghanistan we see now has gone backwards and faces many problems that the west can't deal with for them. They need to want to improve their society away from the volatile and dangerous Taliban, which is what seems to cause alot of the ongoing issues. It's like an endless cycle now. 


Except, without the west, Afgthanistan would only move towards the Taliban.

Also, it's not like the opposite of the Taliban is particularly non-violent and dangerous... as the opposite is more or less Drug Warlords.  Karzai's brother is a drug warlord. (Or was, he might have died?)

The only real difference is that the Drug Lords work mostly on a profit motive and can be steered away from violence.

Unfortunately now that is true but had there been no western interference at all, then this problem wouldn't exist. I honestly don't know what makes us think only we can make things better for them.  



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lucidium on 06 March 2014

Wonder if they'll withdraw from the oil refineries too..



Mythmaker1 on 06 March 2014

About time.

Here's hoping the US can finally get itself together now.



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Final-Fan on 06 March 2014
the2real4mafol said:
Final-Fan said:
the2real4mafol said:

No matter who did 9/11, the American invasion of Afghanistan was neither justified and can't be justified. Just my opinion.

"No matter who"

So hypothetically, if the Taliban had directly planned the attacks and Taliban forces hijacked the planes and flew them into the towers, it still wouldn't have been justified? 

Maybe it would of been a just war but only if it could be proven. The problem with the Taliban is they are not a typical enemy, it's not a country you are fighting. It's a international network of fundamentalists you are fighting, this makes it very hard to find the enemy yet alone fight them

OK.  Now, if the Taliban didn't directly plan or execute the attack, but gave "aid and comfort"(as the saying goes) to those who did, knowing that they were guilty and yet sheltering them from the just wrath of the U.S.A., would it still have been just to go after the Taliban?  (Leaving aside the question of whether it would be "worth it".)



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Kasz216 on 07 March 2014
lucidium said:
Wonder if they'll withdraw from the oil refineries too..

That'd be kinda hard, considering the lack of oil refinieries in Afghanistan

The first oil setup they had was in 2013.... by the Chinese.



lucidium on 07 March 2014
Kasz216 said:
lucidium said:
Wonder if they'll withdraw from the oil refineries too..

That'd be kinda hard, considering the lack of oil refinieries in Afghanistan

The first oil setup they had was in 2013.... by the Chinese.

Theres two with a third one being built, the two that are operating are under armed guard by american and canadian troops, haven't seen a buddy of mine for over a year as he's stationed there.

Fuck me for wondering if he'll get to go home, right?