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Rafux on 22 February 2014
archer9234 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
The way the art world sees it, if the piece serves a function or purpose its not art. Kojima, the conept artist and my illustration teacher all agree on this.


BS. All art serves two key purposes. An emotional response and making money.


Can you make a video game without gameplay? can you release a black screen display for 5 minutes for free digitally and call it a game? because artist like painters and movie directors can show a black canvas or a 5 minute short film of just a black screen and call it "The Afterlife"

If Kojima released a black screen for 5 minutes for free people would say "its not a game". Video games are not art.



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LemonSlice on 22 February 2014
DragonRouge said:

This thread reminds me of this:

 

I lol'd hard. So true.



Zappykins on 22 February 2014
S.T.A.G.E. said:
The way the art world sees it, if the piece serves a function or purpose its not art. Kojima, the conept artist and my illustration teacher all agree on this.

Wow, you should ask them what they think of the 'ready mades' of Marcel Duchamp.  They sound really out of touch.   I would really like to see them fight the art world with something that has a function (like a chair, house, or spoon) is not art.   It sounds like they are teaching art, as if a doctor was teaching 18th century medicine.



 

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Rafux on 22 February 2014
Zappykins said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
The way the art world sees it, if the piece serves a function or purpose its not art. Kojima, the conept artist and my illustration teacher all agree on this.

Wow, you should ask them what they think of the 'ready mades' of Marcel Duchamp.  They sound really out of touch.   I would really like to see them fight the art world with something that has a function (like a chair, house, or spoon) is not art.   It sounds like they are teaching art, as if a doctor was teaching 18th century medicine.


A chair, house or spoon doesn't even have to be usable to be art, it could be a chair full of nails and still be art but a video game has to be playable and have the most basic fuction of fun and challenging gameplay. If a game is not playable/usable is not a game anymore.



Zappykins on 22 February 2014
Rafux said:
Zappykins said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
The way the art world sees it, if the piece serves a function or purpose its not art. Kojima, the conept artist and my illustration teacher all agree on this.

Wow, you should ask them what they think of the 'ready mades' of Marcel Duchamp.  They sound really out of touch.   I would really like to see them fight the art world with something that has a function (like a chair, house, or spoon) is not art.   It sounds like they are teaching art, as if a doctor was teaching 18th century medicine.

A chair, house or spoon doesn't even have to be usable to be art, it could be a chair full of nails and still be art but a video game has to be playable and have the most basic fuction of fun and challenging gameplay. If a game is not playable/usable is not a game anymore.

So if a game is not playable then it's art?  So Ninja Gingerbread Man is the greatest piece of digital art ever?



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

Tell me a funny joke!
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sc94597 on 22 February 2014

I like this definition of art: "works produced by human creative skill and imagination" I'd consider video games to qualify, just as I'd also consider mathematics to be an art in many instances.



Rafux on 22 February 2014
Zappykins said:
Rafux said:
Zappykins said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
The way the art world sees it, if the piece serves a function or purpose its not art. Kojima, the conept artist and my illustration teacher all agree on this.

Wow, you should ask them what they think of the 'ready mades' of Marcel Duchamp.  They sound really out of touch.   I would really like to see them fight the art world with something that has a function (like a chair, house, or spoon) is not art.   It sounds like they are teaching art, as if a doctor was teaching 18th century medicine.

A chair, house or spoon doesn't even have to be usable to be art, it could be a chair full of nails and still be art but a video game has to be playable and have the most basic fuction of fun and challenging gameplay. If a game is not playable/usable is not a game anymore.

So if a game is not playable then it's art?  So Ninja Gingerbread Man is the greatest piece of digital art ever?

I never said that. I said a video game has to be playable to be a video game and Ninjabread Man does have gameplay mechanics even if you think they are bad they were designed to be fun and challenging.

Can you make a video game without gameplay? Can you release a black screen display for 5 minutes for free digitally and call it a game? because artists like painters and movie directors can show a black canvas or a 5 minute short film of just a black screen and call it "The Afterlife"

But If Kojima released a game for free that is just a black screen for 5 minutes and then it ends people would say "its not a game". Video games are not art.



MikeRox on 22 February 2014

If games aren't art, then movies, music and paintings aren't art.

The whole video games aren't or at least, can't be art, is snobbery from an ageing elite.



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Zappykins on 22 February 2014
Rafux said:
Zappykins said:
Rafux said:
Zappykins said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
The way the art world sees it, if the piece serves a function or purpose its not art. Kojima, the conept artist and my illustration teacher all agree on this.

Wow, you should ask them what they think of the 'ready mades' of Marcel Duchamp.  They sound really out of touch.   I would really like to see them fight the art world with something that has a function (like a chair, house, or spoon) is not art.   It sounds like they are teaching art, as if a doctor was teaching 18th century medicine.

A chair, house or spoon doesn't even have to be usable to be art, it could be a chair full of nails and still be art but a video game has to be playable and have the most basic fuction of fun and challenging gameplay. If a game is not playable/usable is not a game anymore.

So if a game is not playable then it's art?  So Ninja Gingerbread Man is the greatest piece of digital art ever?

I never said that. I said a video game has to be playable to be a video game and Ninjabread Man does have gameplay mechanics even if you think they are bad they were designed to be fun and challenging.

Can you make a video game without gameplay? Can you release a black screen display for 5 minutes for free digitally and call it a game? because artists like painters and movie directors can show a black canvas or a 5 minute short film of just a black screen and call it "The Afterlife"

But If Kojima released a game for free that is just a black screen for 5 minutes and then it ends people would say "its not a game". Video games are not art.

Good! I didn't really think you were saying that.

Yes, some artist would call that art.  But it is a bit silly.



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

Tell me a funny joke!
the2real4mafol on 22 February 2014

Some games are art, but not all. Flower is certainly art though



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