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bigtakilla on 24 February 2014
SubiyaCryolite said:


At what point does the PS4 drop frames? And to what degree? Is it ever Arkham City or Call of Duy bad as is on WiiU? A 60fps game running at 40 - 30fps?


At exactly 1:09 it drops on the PS4 to 40fps, but there are lots of moments where the framerate bounces around. Come on man, I sent you the video, I shouldn't have to hold your hand through it.



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SubiyaCryolite on 24 February 2014
curl-6 said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
bigtakilla said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
 

1. Your point fails cause no PS4 port ever as framedrops, ever. All 900p or 1080P. Both the PS4 and X1 run games at LODS and shader presets not possible on the Wii U as with the case with Killer Instinct, Ryse or DR3. Resolution alone is the tip of the ice berg, Crysis 3 maxed at 720p still looks alot better than say Bioshock 2 maxed at 720p.

2. http://kotaku.com/the-xbox-360-had-18-games-at-launch-heres-what-they-l-509057349. Indeed the ugliest games are cross gen ports. At least they dont run slower than the PS2 or XBox OG, they also manage to run at a higher resolution. Something the U has failed to replicate. That said, this makes the gap argument look even more ridiculous if ShadowFall, Order and SS are all year one. Yes, I know "diminishing returns"

3. And?

No frame drops ever huh.....

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-battlefield-4-next-gen-face-off

Guess you didn't see this....


At what point does the PS4 drop frames? And to what degree? Is it ever Arkham City or Call of Duy bad as is on WiiU? A 60fps game running at 40 - 30fps?

Actually yes, during the river segment of Ghosts, PS4 hovers in the 40-45fps range.

How does the WiiU do in that level?



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

SubiyaCryolite on 24 February 2014
bigtakilla said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
 


At what point does the PS4 drop frames? And to what degree? Is it ever Arkham City or Call of Duy bad as is on WiiU? A 60fps game running at 40 - 30fps?


At exactly 1:09 it drops on the PS4 to 40fps, but there are lots of moments where the framerate bounces around. Come on man, I sent you the video, I shouldn't have to hold your hand through it.

I see, wow. What a deal breaker >_>



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

bigtakilla on 24 February 2014
SubiyaCryolite said:

How does the WiiU do in that level?

Lol, from the PS4 doesn't drop frames to how well does it do on Wii U.



supernihilist on 24 February 2014
SubiyaCryolite said:
supernihilist said:

1. Your point fails cause no PS4 port ever as framedrops, ever. All 900p or 1080P. Both the PS4 and X1 run games at LODS and shader presets not possible on the Wii U as with the case with Killer Instinct, Ryse or DR3. Resolution alone is the tip of the ice berg, Crysis 3 maxed at 720p still looks alot better than say Bioshock 2 maxed at 720p.

2. http://kotaku.com/the-xbox-360-had-18-games-at-launch-heres-what-they-l-509057349. Indeed the ugliest games are cross gen ports. At least they dont run slower than the PS2 or XBox OG, they also manage to run at a higher resolution. Something the U has failed to replicate. That said, this makes the gap argument look even more ridiculous if ShadowFall, Order and SS are all year one. Yes, I know "diminishing returns"

3. And?

bolded lol thats a luaghable statment, its not true. The assests are 90% shared with last gen, thats why are called cross-gen.

only fact is WiiU launch games are miles ahead of PS360 launch games in terms of visuals

Kameo? PDZero? Gun? LOL

compare that to TW101, SM3DW, ACIII, Batman...etc.

no contest.

"bolded lol thats a luaghable statment, its not true" Exaggrated a bit, not ever, but its definately no WiiU. Does it ever drop frames to the same extent as the U? Call me when a 60fps PS4 game consistently drops below 40, or a 30fps PS4 game consistently drops below 25fps while being on par with a PS3 game and running at 720p or less.

"The assests are 90% shared with last gen, thats why are called cross-gen." Doesnt make the WiiU run any better does it?

"only fact is WiiU launch games are miles ahead of PS360 launch games in terms of visuals" Indeed, lets see if the Us visuals will evolve as much as the 360 did (impossible, by your own camps logic). If they do then so will the PS4 & X1 (launching with Shadow Fall and Rise), making this entire thread pointless.

The gap will be maintained and will only grow.

stop moving goalposts.

the point is WiiU already proved its really clearly more capable than PS360, which is what you and others deny.



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curl-6 on 24 February 2014
SubiyaCryolite said:

How does the WiiU do in that level?

About the same.



SubiyaCryolite on 24 February 2014
bigtakilla said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
 

How does the WiiU do in that level?

Lol, from the PS4 doesn't drop frames to how well does it do on Wii U.



Ive already said that ever was an exaggeration. It doesnt drop frames to the same extent as the U. Yes, all my points are now invalid because of that slip up. Rock on!



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

bigtakilla on 24 February 2014
SubiyaCryolite said:
bigtakilla said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
 

How does the WiiU do in that level?

Lol, from the PS4 doesn't drop frames to how well does it do on Wii U.



Ive already said that ever was an exaggeration. It doesnt drop frames to the same extent as the U. Yes, all my points are now invalid because of that slip up. Rock on!


You want one that goes below 40fps that's supposed to be 60? (The Killzone framerate test.) It even dips into the 20's once.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-next-gen-now-killzone-resogun-knack

Rock solid performance from the PS4.



SubiyaCryolite on 24 February 2014
supernihilist said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
supernihilist said:

1. Your point fails cause no PS4 port ever as framedrops, ever. All 900p or 1080P. Both the PS4 and X1 run games at LODS and shader presets not possible on the Wii U as with the case with Killer Instinct, Ryse or DR3. Resolution alone is the tip of the ice berg, Crysis 3 maxed at 720p still looks alot better than say Bioshock 2 maxed at 720p.

2. http://kotaku.com/the-xbox-360-had-18-games-at-launch-heres-what-they-l-509057349. Indeed the ugliest games are cross gen ports. At least they dont run slower than the PS2 or XBox OG, they also manage to run at a higher resolution. Something the U has failed to replicate. That said, this makes the gap argument look even more ridiculous if ShadowFall, Order and SS are all year one. Yes, I know "diminishing returns"

3. And?

bolded lol thats a luaghable statment, its not true. The assests are 90% shared with last gen, thats why are called cross-gen.

only fact is WiiU launch games are miles ahead of PS360 launch games in terms of visuals

Kameo? PDZero? Gun? LOL

compare that to TW101, SM3DW, ACIII, Batman...etc.

no contest.

"bolded lol thats a luaghable statment, its not true" Exaggrated a bit, not ever, but its definately no WiiU. Does it ever drop frames to the same extent as the U? Call me when a 60fps PS4 game consistently drops below 40, or a 30fps PS4 game consistently drops below 25fps while being on par with a PS3 game and running at 720p or less.

"The assests are 90% shared with last gen, thats why are called cross-gen." Doesnt make the WiiU run any better does it?

"only fact is WiiU launch games are miles ahead of PS360 launch games in terms of visuals" Indeed, lets see if the Us visuals will evolve as much as the 360 did (impossible, by your own camps logic). If they do then so will the PS4 & X1 (launching with Shadow Fall and Rise), making this entire thread pointless.

The gap will be maintained and will only grow.

stop moving goalposts.

the point is WiiU already proved its really clearly more capable than PS360, which is what you and others deny.

I havnt moved any goal poasts. Ive said its in the same "league" meaning that even if its stronger its not to a noticable extent. Take curl examples from Trine 2 and Most Wanted U. Again

"You can use this hierarchy to compare the pricing between two cards, to see which one is a better deal, and also to determine if an upgrade is worthwhile. I don’t recommend upgrading your graphics card unless the replacement card is at least three tiers higher. Otherwise, the upgrade is somewhat parallel, and you may not even notice any worthwhile difference in performance."

Emphasis on bloody "Otherwise, the upgrade is somewhat parallel, and you may not even notice any worthwhile difference in performance".

And for the last time, refer to the chart froms toms below. Unless you want to argue that the Wii Us GPU is somehow more capable than either the 4650 or 5550 (Which both have more GFLOP performance than the WiiUs most optimistic estimate).


What goal posts have been moved?



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

SubiyaCryolite on 24 February 2014
bigtakilla said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
bigtakilla said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
 

How does the WiiU do in that level?

Lol, from the PS4 doesn't drop frames to how well does it do on Wii U.



Ive already said that ever was an exaggeration. It doesnt drop frames to the same extent as the U. Yes, all my points are now invalid because of that slip up. Rock on!


You want one that goes below 40fps that's supposed to be 60? (The Killzone framerate test.) It even dips into the 20's once.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-next-gen-now-killzone-resogun-knack

Rock solid performance from the PS4.

Killzone has a patch that locks the fps to 30fps now. Nice try though



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine