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supernihilist on 24 February 2014
SubiyaCryolite said:
If the WiiUs GPU was truly stronger then Mass Effect 3, Most Wanted U, Trine 2 and several others would run at 720p60 rather than 720p30 at the same settings as the 7th gen. They dont.

If the WiiUs CPU truly was truly stronger then CPU intensive games like Call of Duty (shootouts), Arkham City (fights), Blacklist (shootouts) and Assassins Creed (chases/fights) would NEVER drop frames. They do.

"Laziness" is the only logical conclusion.

Arkham City is uncapped on the WiiU and it peaks at 45fps at 720p. 45fps at 720p on Unreal Engine 3 in the year 2013. I wish the PS3 and 360 versions were also uncapped. The performance of the WiiUs GPU/CPU is in the 7th gens territory. Not a single game released to date disputes this.

The WiiUs rumoured GPU is equivalent to the 4650/5550HD. That falls in line with every teardown done thus far. Explains the resolution and performance of 1st and 3rd party games. Now to break down some of the "Secret Sauce" arguments one by one.

Does the 5550HD have DirectX 11 extensions? Yes.

Is the 5550HD "Several generations ahead of the competition (PS3 = 7800GTX, 360 = 1900XT)"? Yes, several "generations" ahead.

Does the 5550HD have GPGPU support? Yes.

Is the 5550HD significantly faster than the competition(PS3 = 7800GTX, 360 = 1900XT)? No. As shown in virtually every game released for the system to date. As shown in tomshardware GPU hierarchy chart I posed a few pages back. You can tell yourself that "3D World is leagues ahead of anything on the 360/PS3" if you want to.

I dont even know why this is still a debate.


your point falls when you realize PS4 and XBONE ports also have framerate drops and sub full HD resolution. its a matter of time and effort. nothing to do with HW limitations. same goes to WiiU.

Also why not compare 1st year WiiU games to 1st year PS3 to make things more fair??? oh yeah i know...the agenda..

You could also take into account the HW has a damn 6 inch screen built in the Pad and use 32Watts of energy in a discrete form factor. is not only about specs



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curl-6 on 24 February 2014
SubiyaCryolite said:
If the WiiUs GPU was truly stronger then Mass Effect 3, Most Wanted U, Trine 2 and several others would run at 720p60 rather than 720p30 at the same settings as the 7th gen. They dont.

Most Wanted U runs at a higher framerate with superior textures and reflection mapping to PS360. Trine 2 on Wii U has superior textures, screen resolution, anti-aliasing, normal mapping, water effects, and physics to the PS3/360 versions, and the devs have said it would have to be downgraded on run on the weaker PS3/360.



SubiyaCryolite on 24 February 2014
supernihilist said:

1. your point falls when you realize PS4 and XBONE ports also have framerate drops and sub full HD resolution. its a matter of time and effort. nothing to do with HW limitations. same goes to WiiU.

2. Also why not compare 1st year WiiU games to 1st year PS3 to make things more fair??? oh yeah i know...the agenda..

3. You could also take into account the HW has a damn 6 inch screen built in the Pad and use 32Watts of energy in a discrete form factor. is not only about specs

1. Your point fails cause no PS4 port ever as framedrops, ever. All 900p or 1080P. Both the PS4 and X1 run games at LODS and shader presets not possible on the Wii U as with the case with Killer Instinct, Ryse or DR3. Resolution alone is the tip of the ice berg, Crysis 3 maxed at 720p still looks alot better than say Bioshock 2 maxed at 720p.

2. http://kotaku.com/the-xbox-360-had-18-games-at-launch-heres-what-they-l-509057349. Indeed the ugliest games are cross gen ports. At least they dont run slower than the PS2 or XBox OG, they also manage to run at a higher resolution. Something the U has failed to replicate. That said, this makes the gap argument look even more ridiculous if ShadowFall, Order and SS are all year one. Yes, I know "diminishing returns"

3. And?



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

supernihilist on 24 February 2014
SubiyaCryolite said:
supernihilist said:

1. your point falls when you realize PS4 and XBONE ports also have framerate drops and sub full HD resolution. its a matter of time and effort. nothing to do with HW limitations. same goes to WiiU.

2. Also why not compare 1st year WiiU games to 1st year PS3 to make things more fair??? oh yeah i know...the agenda..

3. You could also take into account the HW has a damn 6 inch screen built in the Pad and use 32Watts of energy in a discrete form factor. is not only about specs

1. Your point fails cause no PS4 port ever as framedrops, ever. All 900p or 1080P. Both the PS4 and X1 run games at LODS and shader presets not possible on the Wii U as with the case with Killer Instinct, Ryse or DR3. Resolution alone is the tip of the ice berg, Crysis 3 maxed at 720p still looks alot better than say Bioshock 2 maxed at 720p.

2. http://kotaku.com/the-xbox-360-had-18-games-at-launch-heres-what-they-l-509057349. Indeed the ugliest games are cross gen ports. At least they dont run slower than the PS2 or XBox OG, they also manage to run at a higher resolution. Something the U has failed to replicate. That said, this makes the gap argument look even more ridiculous if ShadowFall, Order and SS are all year one. Yes, I know "diminishing returns"

3. And?

bolded lol thats a luaghable statment, its not true. The assests are 90% shared with last gen, thats why are called cross-gen.

only fact is WiiU launch games are miles ahead of PS360 launch games in terms of visuals

Kameo? PDZero? Gun? LOL

compare that to TW101, SM3DW, ACIII, Batman...etc.

no contest.



bigtakilla on 24 February 2014
SubiyaCryolite said:

1. Your point fails cause no PS4 port ever as framedrops, ever. All 900p or 1080P. Both the PS4 and X1 run games at LODS and shader presets not possible on the Wii U as with the case with Killer Instinct, Ryse or DR3. Resolution alone is the tip of the ice berg, Crysis 3 maxed at 720p still looks alot better than say Bioshock 2 maxed at 720p.

2. http://kotaku.com/the-xbox-360-had-18-games-at-launch-heres-what-they-l-509057349. Indeed the ugliest games are cross gen ports. At least they dont run slower than the PS2 or XBox OG, they also manage to run at a higher resolution. Something the U has failed to replicate. That said, this makes the gap argument look even more ridiculous if ShadowFall, Order and SS are all year one. Yes, I know "diminishing returns"

3. And?

No frame drops ever huh.....

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-battlefield-4-next-gen-face-off

Guess you didn't see this....



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SubiyaCryolite on 24 February 2014
curl-6 said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
If the WiiUs GPU was truly stronger then Mass Effect 3, Most Wanted U, Trine 2 and several others would run at 720p60 rather than 720p30 at the same settings as the 7th gen. They dont.

Most Wanted U runs at a higher framerate with superior textures and reflection mapping to PS360. Trine 2 on Wii U has superior textures, screen resolution, anti-aliasing, normal mapping, water effects, and physics to the PS3/360 versions, and the devs have said it would have to be downgraded on run on the weaker PS3/360.


So thats your testament of its extra "muscle"



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

SubiyaCryolite on 24 February 2014
bigtakilla said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
 

1. Your point fails cause no PS4 port ever as framedrops, ever. All 900p or 1080P. Both the PS4 and X1 run games at LODS and shader presets not possible on the Wii U as with the case with Killer Instinct, Ryse or DR3. Resolution alone is the tip of the ice berg, Crysis 3 maxed at 720p still looks alot better than say Bioshock 2 maxed at 720p.

2. http://kotaku.com/the-xbox-360-had-18-games-at-launch-heres-what-they-l-509057349. Indeed the ugliest games are cross gen ports. At least they dont run slower than the PS2 or XBox OG, they also manage to run at a higher resolution. Something the U has failed to replicate. That said, this makes the gap argument look even more ridiculous if ShadowFall, Order and SS are all year one. Yes, I know "diminishing returns"

3. And?

No frame drops ever huh.....

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-battlefield-4-next-gen-face-off

Guess you didn't see this....


At what point does the PS4 drop frames? And to what degree? Is it ever Arkham City or Call of Duy bad as is on WiiU? A 60fps game running at 40 - 30fps?



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

curl-6 on 24 February 2014
SubiyaCryolite said:
curl-6 said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
If the WiiUs GPU was truly stronger then Mass Effect 3, Most Wanted U, Trine 2 and several others would run at 720p60 rather than 720p30 at the same settings as the 7th gen. They dont.

Most Wanted U runs at a higher framerate with superior textures and reflection mapping to PS360. Trine 2 on Wii U has superior textures, screen resolution, anti-aliasing, normal mapping, water effects, and physics to the PS3/360 versions, and the devs have said it would have to be downgraded on run on the weaker PS3/360.


So thats your testament of its extra "muscle"

Not its full muscle; these are just early games ported from other systems; a ground-up exclusive could do much more.



curl-6 on 24 February 2014
SubiyaCryolite said:
bigtakilla said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
 

1. Your point fails cause no PS4 port ever as framedrops, ever. All 900p or 1080P. Both the PS4 and X1 run games at LODS and shader presets not possible on the Wii U as with the case with Killer Instinct, Ryse or DR3. Resolution alone is the tip of the ice berg, Crysis 3 maxed at 720p still looks alot better than say Bioshock 2 maxed at 720p.

2. http://kotaku.com/the-xbox-360-had-18-games-at-launch-heres-what-they-l-509057349. Indeed the ugliest games are cross gen ports. At least they dont run slower than the PS2 or XBox OG, they also manage to run at a higher resolution. Something the U has failed to replicate. That said, this makes the gap argument look even more ridiculous if ShadowFall, Order and SS are all year one. Yes, I know "diminishing returns"

3. And?

No frame drops ever huh.....

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-battlefield-4-next-gen-face-off

Guess you didn't see this....


At what point does the PS4 drop frames? And to what degree? Is it ever Arkham City or Call of Duy bad as is on WiiU? A 60fps game running at 40 - 30fps?

Actually yes, during the river segment of Ghosts, PS4 hovers in the 40-45fps range.



SubiyaCryolite on 24 February 2014
supernihilist said:

1. Your point fails cause no PS4 port ever as framedrops, ever. All 900p or 1080P. Both the PS4 and X1 run games at LODS and shader presets not possible on the Wii U as with the case with Killer Instinct, Ryse or DR3. Resolution alone is the tip of the ice berg, Crysis 3 maxed at 720p still looks alot better than say Bioshock 2 maxed at 720p.

2. http://kotaku.com/the-xbox-360-had-18-games-at-launch-heres-what-they-l-509057349. Indeed the ugliest games are cross gen ports. At least they dont run slower than the PS2 or XBox OG, they also manage to run at a higher resolution. Something the U has failed to replicate. That said, this makes the gap argument look even more ridiculous if ShadowFall, Order and SS are all year one. Yes, I know "diminishing returns"

3. And?

bolded lol thats a luaghable statment, its not true. The assests are 90% shared with last gen, thats why are called cross-gen.

only fact is WiiU launch games are miles ahead of PS360 launch games in terms of visuals

Kameo? PDZero? Gun? LOL

compare that to TW101, SM3DW, ACIII, Batman...etc.

no contest.

"bolded lol thats a luaghable statment, its not true" Exaggrated a bit, not ever, but its definately no WiiU. Does it ever drop frames to the same extent as the U? Call me when a 60fps PS4 game consistently drops below 40, or a 30fps PS4 game consistently drops below 25fps while being on par with a PS3 game and running at 720p or less.

"The assests are 90% shared with last gen, thats why are called cross-gen." Doesnt make the WiiU run any better does it?

"only fact is WiiU launch games are miles ahead of PS360 launch games in terms of visuals" Indeed, lets see if the Us visuals will evolve as much as the 360 did (impossible, by your own camps logic). If they do then so will the PS4 & X1 (launching with Shadow Fall and Rise), making this entire thread pointless.

The gap will be maintained and will only grow.



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine