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The PS4's power seems...

Better, but not THAT much better anymore... 241 15.42%
 
Are you crazy?! The PS4 is GOD! 349 22.33%
 
The Wii U is clearly unde... 741 47.41%
 
The PS4 is selling better... 36 2.30%
 
I think I'll be buying a... 191 12.22%
 
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ZyroXZ2 said:
JoeTheBro said:

I am.

He's using the wording of a Jimmy Fallon interview as evidence. This is conspiracy level stuff here. If they were just saying a BS number, why didn't Sony say they targeted 15 times more? 20 times more? Wouldn't matter since they "clearly missed this by a decent margin" right?

Plus you know there are things like this: http://www.gamnesia.com/news/tretton-says-playstation-4-is-ten-times-more-powerful-than-ps3#.UwmcUYWmb84

"With PlayStation 4 being $399, and being 10 times more powerful than the PlayStation 3, that bodes very well for talking people into buying a PlayStation 4." — Jack Tretton

And this: http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2013/10/30/playstation-4-the-ultimate-faq/

"The PS4 system is capable of 10x the processing power of PS3 system."

 

Also he's more than nitpicking infamous. An open world game has some edges in a cut-scene close up. No way, really?!? It's still by far the best looking open-world game out there. I mean this thread is about him seeing the X video and thinking it looked amazing, and now he's saying Infamous looks "good?"

"B-b-but it's open world!" Is that him giving us permission to say X looks horrible? If it wasn't for that fact about X, it wouldn't even compare to mid 7th gen games. Don't make me bring up the Mr. Khan quote about removing what makes something extraordinary lol.

 

Can't comment about the tech stuff since the PS4 CPU info hasn't been released and the Wii U GPU info hasn't been released.

And when did I say 'X' looked amazing?

And you really buy those PR statements by Sony?  Remember when: http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/pdf/050517e.pdf

Yea, 2 TFLOPS of power for the PS3.  Look, I'm not a fanboy of anything, but I know some BS when I see it.  The PS2 was said to be powerful enough to bring CG-like graphics to games.  The PS3 was hailed as being so powerful that no developers will ever use its full power. Now the PS4 is 10 times more powerful than the PS3, and yet, I played KZ:SF and was pointing out 2D grass sprites in multiplayer that were low res, and didn't even have their own shadow...  6 out of 8 cores for games (probably about 70 GFLOPS of CPU power there), 1.84 TFLOP GPU, people need to get real about it and stop thinking the PS4 is going to do anything more than put some polish on last generation games, mostly by modernizing special effects, decreasing loading times, allowing for bigger worlds, and more players/NPCs in multiplayer/singleplayer.  It won't change the graphics landscape.  In fact, I'm keen to believe that we will NEVER see another change in graphics landscape like the PS3/XBox360, because it's just not financially viable to do that, not the way the industry is now with games requiring budgets so large that they need to sell doorbusters to survive.

Besides, didn't someone earlier try to use Pikmin 3 to pick out some polygon edges on an EYEBALL of a bulborb?  Why is that flaws in a Sony game are cherrypicked, but flaws in a Nintendo game are major problems indicative of the entire system? o_O

Again, wow.

You selectively ignored parts of my post, so I'll take that as a free pass to selectively respond to yours

First of all you're just contradicting yourself by now saying Sony lies with PR. Why in your original post didn't you just say something along the lines of "I know Sony has said 10X, but do you actually believe anything this company says? Look at this one thing 8 years ago"? That's a rhetorical question: it's extremely obvious. You don't believe in Sony's PR of the power difference so you looked for a way to invalidate their statement. Since you assumed they always stated it was a targeted difference, you read between the lines and came up with your original conclusion. I easily proved that was wrong, so now you've come up with a new way to invalidate their PR statements.

Kinda ironic considering at this point you state you're not a fanboy. You might not be, but you sure are acting like one. You're saying Sony is straight up lying over and over again about this simply because you disagree with them and eight years ago they spinned some data. You're not an expert at this just because you're a PC gamer. I am an actual dev working on these systems telling you your analysis and predictions are horribly flawed and inaccurate. Plus why in the world do you keep bringing up numbers and such as if you're the one explaining to me? It's also strange that you bring them up since you know I can't give specific responses due to NDA.

By bringing up Pikmin your again showing that you're looking at this from a fanboy perspective. We aren't here to attack you or your system. I feel the need to stress, again, that I'm a big Nintendo fan and own a Wii U. Hey look what I used to have in my sig. You know how each console group on this site has a mega-thread? I used to be the "king" of the Nintendo one.

I pointed the edges out in a joking matter because I believed you said the game had no visible edges. Who in the world said it was a major problem indicative of the whole system? Plus when a user corrected me about which game you were referring to, I apologized for my mistake. I could have very easily gone to Google and found a picture of SM3DW with visible edges, but I didn't. I specifically didn't want to look like I was attacking the Wii U or its games.



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curl-6 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
curl-6 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
ZyroXZ2 said:

Anyone else kind of feel like the PS4's power gap isn't that big anymore?  I mean, sure it's more powerful, but after seeing these two, I don't find myself thinking "Oh, how much better this would have looked on PS4"... Am I the only one that thinks that people will stop thinking the Wii U is underpowered after these two games see daylight?


The Wii U will cap out its power quite quickly.

How, when almost no devs are investing the time to opimise for its architecture, or designing games that push its limits?

Consoles only reach their full capacity when talented devs take the time to learn the hardware inside out, and build games from the ground up to make full use of it. About the only devs even trying right now are Shin'en, and they're limited by being a 5-man indie team.


They will. You will see. Its not much more powerful than last gen consoles. It wont be long. Nintendo will never cap it out, but third party devs will. If the games continue to be lower budget, you're probably right but it will only get slightly better than what you're seeing right now. X doesnt even look that good anymore. Looking at Final Fantasy XV its totally outclassed.

So which third parties are going to tap out the system "quickly", hmmm? Ubisoft, with what's sure to be a shitty unoptimized port of Watch Dogs?

There will be Wii U games that look significantly better than what we've seen so far, but they're not releasing any time soon.


No. The Wii U version will most likely be slightly better than last gen. Watchdogs is a terrible example of a next gen game. It really isnt. If you think with the Wii U's power that it will be significantly better, outside of the timespan of two years you're mistaken. After two to three years devs start using tricks to get around the humps of using dated hardware. Even uncharted went through that last gen. This gen the devs will have the power to go balls to the wall with that game.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
curl-6 said:

So which third parties are going to tap out the system "quickly", hmmm? Ubisoft, with what's sure to be a shitty unoptimized port of Watch Dogs?

There will be Wii U games that look significantly better than what we've seen so far, but they're not releasing any time soon.


No. The Wii U version will most likely be slightly better than last gen. Watchdogs is a terrible example of a next gen game. It really isnt. If you think with the Wii U's power that it will be significantly better, outside of the timespan of two years you're mistaken. After two to three years devs start using tricks to get around the humps of using dated hardware. Even uncharted went through that last gen. This gen the devs will have the power to go balls to the wall with that game.

As you can see in my sig, I've bet Watch Dogs will actually be worse than the last gen versions on Wii U; not because the hardware is worse or on par, but because it's Ubisoft and they have proven their laziness and incompetence with Wii U ports time and again.

Wii U still has a ways to go until it's tapped out, as no games so far have been built from the ground up to push it.



S.T.A.G.E. said:


They will. You will see. Its not much more powerful than last gen consoles. It wont be long. Nintendo will never cap it out, but third party devs will. If the games continue to be lower budget, you're probably right but it will only get slightly better than what you're seeing right now. X doesnt even look that good anymore. Looking at Final Fantasy XV its totally outclassed.

I haven't exactly studied the FFXV footage we've seen closely; in fact, I haven't watched it once since its E3 debut last year. But my friends are very interested, and they talk about horrible framerate problems, and struck objects floating into the air and fading out of existence.

I'm confident that problems such as these will be ironed out by the time the game is released. But "looking at Final Fantasy XV," meaning what we have actually seen of the game and not what we imagine the game will look like when it's finished, I don't see how it outclasses what we saw in the recent X footage, which had no such technical issues. As far as I'm concerned, a decent-looking game that runs smoothly outclasses a great-looking game that is falling apart at the seams by a mile.

Although it's obvious that Bayonetta 2 and X won't be able to stand up to the best the PS4 and XBO can do, and I wish people would stop gushing over their graphics. X doesn't wow me, either, because I've seen any of Metal Gear Solid V. But the graphics don't have to wow me. If it looked like Xenoblade in HD, I'd still be all over it. And it looks like Xenoblade in HD with much better character models, and I can't be any more all over it. If it was in 1080p it would make no difference to me. If the textures were higher quality I probably wouldn't even notice. The graphics are the least of my concerns with this game.



curl-6 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
curl-6 said:

So which third parties are going to tap out the system "quickly", hmmm? Ubisoft, with what's sure to be a shitty unoptimized port of Watch Dogs?

There will be Wii U games that look significantly better than what we've seen so far, but they're not releasing any time soon.


No. The Wii U version will most likely be slightly better than last gen. Watchdogs is a terrible example of a next gen game. It really isnt. If you think with the Wii U's power that it will be significantly better, outside of the timespan of two years you're mistaken. After two to three years devs start using tricks to get around the humps of using dated hardware. Even uncharted went through that last gen. This gen the devs will have the power to go balls to the wall with that game.

As you can see in my sig, I've bet Watch Dogs will actually be worse than the last gen versions on Wii U; not because the hardware is worse or on par, but because it's Ubisoft and they have proven their laziness and incompetence with Wii U ports time and again.

Wii U still has a ways to go until it's tapped out, as no games so far have been built from the ground up to push it.


what are these lazy ports again?



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oniyide said:
curl-6 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
curl-6 said:

So which third parties are going to tap out the system "quickly", hmmm? Ubisoft, with what's sure to be a shitty unoptimized port of Watch Dogs?

There will be Wii U games that look significantly better than what we've seen so far, but they're not releasing any time soon.


No. The Wii U version will most likely be slightly better than last gen. Watchdogs is a terrible example of a next gen game. It really isnt. If you think with the Wii U's power that it will be significantly better, outside of the timespan of two years you're mistaken. After two to three years devs start using tricks to get around the humps of using dated hardware. Even uncharted went through that last gen. This gen the devs will have the power to go balls to the wall with that game.

As you can see in my sig, I've bet Watch Dogs will actually be worse than the last gen versions on Wii U; not because the hardware is worse or on par, but because it's Ubisoft and they have proven their laziness and incompetence with Wii U ports time and again.

Wii U still has a ways to go until it's tapped out, as no games so far have been built from the ground up to push it.


what are these lazy ports again?

every single port on wiiu is lazy because it doesnt run bettter then 360/ps3, it has nothing do with hardware according to some fans. so every developer is lazy on wiiu.
,



starworld said:
oniyide said:
curl-6 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
curl-6 said:

So which third parties are going to tap out the system "quickly", hmmm? Ubisoft, with what's sure to be a shitty unoptimized port of Watch Dogs?

There will be Wii U games that look significantly better than what we've seen so far, but they're not releasing any time soon.


No. The Wii U version will most likely be slightly better than last gen. Watchdogs is a terrible example of a next gen game. It really isnt. If you think with the Wii U's power that it will be significantly better, outside of the timespan of two years you're mistaken. After two to three years devs start using tricks to get around the humps of using dated hardware. Even uncharted went through that last gen. This gen the devs will have the power to go balls to the wall with that game.

As you can see in my sig, I've bet Watch Dogs will actually be worse than the last gen versions on Wii U; not because the hardware is worse or on par, but because it's Ubisoft and they have proven their laziness and incompetence with Wii U ports time and again.

Wii U still has a ways to go until it's tapped out, as no games so far have been built from the ground up to push it.


what are these lazy ports again?

every single port on wiiu is lazy because it doesnt run bettter then 360/ps3, it has nothing do with hardware according to some fans. so every developer is lazy on wiiu.
,


Are you implying Wii U isn't powerful enough to handle PS3/XBOX360 games? Super Mario 3D World is leagues ahead of any PS3/XBOX360 game. I've just started playing Batman: Arkham City - Armored edition and the game is fun, but it's my ugliest game I own so far, graphically speaking. 



Samus Aran said:
starworld said:
oniyide said:
curl-6 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
curl-6 said:

So which third parties are going to tap out the system "quickly", hmmm? Ubisoft, with what's sure to be a shitty unoptimized port of Watch Dogs?

There will be Wii U games that look significantly better than what we've seen so far, but they're not releasing any time soon.


No. The Wii U version will most likely be slightly better than last gen. Watchdogs is a terrible example of a next gen game. It really isnt. If you think with the Wii U's power that it will be significantly better, outside of the timespan of two years you're mistaken. After two to three years devs start using tricks to get around the humps of using dated hardware. Even uncharted went through that last gen. This gen the devs will have the power to go balls to the wall with that game.

As you can see in my sig, I've bet Watch Dogs will actually be worse than the last gen versions on Wii U; not because the hardware is worse or on par, but because it's Ubisoft and they have proven their laziness and incompetence with Wii U ports time and again.

Wii U still has a ways to go until it's tapped out, as no games so far have been built from the ground up to push it.


what are these lazy ports again?

every single port on wiiu is lazy because it doesnt run bettter then 360/ps3, it has nothing do with hardware according to some fans. so every developer is lazy on wiiu.
,


Are you implying Wii U isn't powerful enough to handle PS3/XBOX360 games? Super Mario 3D World is leagues ahead of any PS3/XBOX360 game. I've just started playing Batman: Arkham City - Armored edition and the game is fun, but it's my ugliest game I own so far, graphically speaking. 





starworld said:
oniyide said:
curl-6 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
curl-6 said:

So which third parties are going to tap out the system "quickly", hmmm? Ubisoft, with what's sure to be a shitty unoptimized port of Watch Dogs?

There will be Wii U games that look significantly better than what we've seen so far, but they're not releasing any time soon.


No. The Wii U version will most likely be slightly better than last gen. Watchdogs is a terrible example of a next gen game. It really isnt. If you think with the Wii U's power that it will be significantly better, outside of the timespan of two years you're mistaken. After two to three years devs start using tricks to get around the humps of using dated hardware. Even uncharted went through that last gen. This gen the devs will have the power to go balls to the wall with that game.

As you can see in my sig, I've bet Watch Dogs will actually be worse than the last gen versions on Wii U; not because the hardware is worse or on par, but because it's Ubisoft and they have proven their laziness and incompetence with Wii U ports time and again.

Wii U still has a ways to go until it's tapped out, as no games so far have been built from the ground up to push it.


what are these lazy ports again?

every single port on wiiu is lazy because it doesnt run bettter then 360/ps3, it has nothing do with hardware according to some fans. so every developer is lazy on wiiu.
,


ever heard of NFS MW U? its the only game that had real effort put in it and it showed....



supernihilist said:
starworld said:
oniyide said:
curl-6 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
curl-6 said:

So which third parties are going to tap out the system "quickly", hmmm? Ubisoft, with what's sure to be a shitty unoptimized port of Watch Dogs?

There will be Wii U games that look significantly better than what we've seen so far, but they're not releasing any time soon.


No. The Wii U version will most likely be slightly better than last gen. Watchdogs is a terrible example of a next gen game. It really isnt. If you think with the Wii U's power that it will be significantly better, outside of the timespan of two years you're mistaken. After two to three years devs start using tricks to get around the humps of using dated hardware. Even uncharted went through that last gen. This gen the devs will have the power to go balls to the wall with that game.

As you can see in my sig, I've bet Watch Dogs will actually be worse than the last gen versions on Wii U; not because the hardware is worse or on par, but because it's Ubisoft and they have proven their laziness and incompetence with Wii U ports time and again.

Wii U still has a ways to go until it's tapped out, as no games so far have been built from the ground up to push it.


what are these lazy ports again?

every single port on wiiu is lazy because it doesnt run bettter then 360/ps3, it has nothing do with hardware according to some fans. so every developer is lazy on wiiu.
,


ever heard of NFS MW U? its the only game that had real effort put in it and it showed....

is there a comparison article about it. did it run at 60fps or 1080p, then if it did then wiiu is indeed a good deal more powerful then the HD twins.