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The PS4's power seems...

Better, but not THAT much better anymore... 241 15.42%
 
Are you crazy?! The PS4 is GOD! 349 22.33%
 
The Wii U is clearly unde... 741 47.41%
 
The PS4 is selling better... 36 2.30%
 
I think I'll be buying a... 191 12.22%
 
Total:1,558
Cheebee on 16 February 2014
Wright said:
orniletter said:
Wright said:


What's the matter with Red Dead Redemption? (And why are you even mentionting it, it's not like it's an JRPG! xD)

Don´t you remember NinjaBlade ? The infamous dude who always got a rager boner and had to shit on the WiiU ?

He always brought RDR up as a game that looked significantly more impressive than "X"....I think he was permabanned, but he may just be back as an alt.


Never heard of him until now xD

Really? Man you missed some pure gold, man. He was funny.



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trixiemafia86 on 16 February 2014

it would have been a good fight between ninjablade and lilbroex
for y'all who remember these guys, you know what i mean ;P



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JustThatGamer on 16 February 2014
Samus Aran said:


I think GOW 3 looks very plasticy, I don't have that with Bayonetta 2. GOW 3 is trying to be realistic looking, but fails pretty hard. Just because you can make things shiney doesn't mean it looks good. 

(To some guy who said GOW 3 looked better)


LOL, don't try it. GoW3 looks plasticy? Just no, you may think it fails at looking realistic or whatever but I guarantee that the vast majortiy would agree it looks better than Bayonetta 2. Also nobody is saying B2 looks bad so why attack GoW3's visuals?


 

So back to my first comment on this thread, I don't think Bayonetta 2 (or 'X') look good enough to make me think the power gap between the Wii U & PS4 isn't that big, look at B2 compared to GoW 3 & Ascension, if it can't produce better visuals than those games and the PS4 is 10x more powerful than the PS3 just imagine what GoW4 would look like?

I think the power gap is huge and will only get bigger, however B2 & X at least show us that the Wii U could potentially match or better the best looking PS3 games with enough talent, time & resources which is more than good enough for the people who went from Wii to Wii U.



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orniletter on 16 February 2014
trixiemafia86 said:

it would have been a good fight between ninjablade and lilbroex
for y'all who remember these guys, you know what i mean ;P


He was literally Antimatter-Ninjablade...

 

I´d love to see both back :P



curl-6 on 16 February 2014
trixiemafia86 said:

it would have been a good fight between ninjablade and lilbroex
for y'all who remember these guys, you know what i mean ;P

That would be a hilarious fight. XD



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fatslob-:O on 16 February 2014
mine said:
fatslob-:O said:
mine said:

So expect the "next-gen" within 4 years. By that time even smartphones will have the same graphics as PS4 or One. 

LOL that ignorance though ...


LOL and ignore Moore's Law as long as you want.

Fact is that PS4 and One have AMD CPUs whose architecture was made for netbooks. Even an Intel Core-i3 will run circels around it. Their GPUs are both not high-end. They "just" get around the PCIe bottle-neck. Nothing fancy new. Just cheap. 

And according to moore's law you'll get every four years the double amount of perforamce for the half amount of money. Or: you'll get FOUR TIMES the performance for the same price. Expect HightEnd Smartphones to have comparable GPU power in four years. Which isn't that far off as the process size of GPUs still way beyond compared to those of CPUs. And it will catch up driven by the demand of Smartphones for power saving GPUs...

Iawata wasn't a fool when he decided to step out of the hw specs race with the Wii and DS. Subsidizing hardware just to get more "realism" didn't make sense anymore. Microsoft did it to get more than a foot into the living room and will continue to do so. The remaing Sony is more of a Game / Media company so it makes sense for them too. 

But it isn't ignorable that both decided not to go the high-end route but use low- to mid-speced hw this time. As both Microsoft and Sony might have more inside knowledge about whats showing up the next years - I expect that their decission makes sense. Otherwise they would have subsidized hardware which would be still outdated with the next gen of GPUs and CPUs...

LOL your still ignorant. 

Moore's Law is an observation not an ACTUAL LAW LOL. Transistors will stop doubling in EVERY 18 months.

And is the WII Us CPU any better ? 15 Gflops doesn't sound a whole lot compared to the 100 Gflops that both the PS4 and X1 could do LOL.

@Bold Bzzzt Wrong LOL. Moore's Law SAYS NOTHING ABOUT PERFORMANCE. IT ONLY SPEAKS OF TRANSISTOR COUNTS OVERTIME. Boy, your lack of semiconductor technology background is really showing, eh ? You assume that smartphones will get comparable performance but you fail to realize they have a TDP budget of lower than 1 Watts and 4 years in time won't be enough to shrink the die sizes to give a notable boost in perf/watt at the acceptable power range.

Both decided not to go the high end route because of costs for a bigger 28nm chip. 

It's official, you know nothing about wafer technology ... Just stop and slowly back off from this thread because your facing off against a PC master race who goes to anandtech at regular intervals.



oniyide on 16 February 2014
curl-6 said:
oniyide said:
curl-6 said:
oniyide said:
curl-6 said:
oniyide said:

its bollocks. So all those exclusives for Wii U werent built fromt he ground up for it? Ill give you NSMBWU since it probably used damn near all the assests of the WIi one, and Pikmin3 since that started as a Wii game. But what of the rest? Zombi U, 3d world, DKC

None of those games were built to be graphically intensive; Zombi U is technically weak even compared to other Wii U games, 3D World takes place in small simple  worlds, and Tropical Freeze is essentially just a Wii engine beefed up with HD and some fancy fur and water shaders. None of them push the hardware.


you didnt say graphically intensive, you said built from the ground up. Not the same thing. So now these games dont push the HW? funny how Pikmin 3 was lauded for graphics now all of a sudden its not graphically intensive. Either what you are saying is nonsense and you dont want to admit that the Wii U isnt as powerful as you want it to be or maybe you are right and it isnt graphically intensive. But we have seen at least one game graphically intensive. X and its STILL behind PS4, by a good margin.

I said "built from the ground up to be graphically intensive". A game can look great without pushing the hardware; 3D World, for instance, is gorgeous, even if it's not maxing out 1GB of RAM and a DX10/11 capable GPGPU. It's folly to judge a system's power when no game so far has even attempted to reach the limits of that power. Having the power's only half the battle, the other half is having developers with the talent, mapower, resources, time, and motivation to fully exploit it.

im judging it on X, which doenst look better than Infamous SS which is in the launch window of PS4. PS4 hasnt been out a year yet and Infamous SS already looks like it does. Cant wait for FF15 to go even further.

First, X is not a finished product, its no longer even confirmed for a 2014 release.

Second, I never claimed it looked better than Infamous.

come on man, i never said you did. Im simply stating that infamous SS and X...there is a CLEAR difference between the two. Now if you want to believe that Wii U one day will be able to put something even close to that on the system, then thats on you. We'll agree to disagree. But the whole point of this thread was to try to prove the Wii U was close to PS4. Just putting those two together shows that is pretty false. 

As for X, lets be real they just showed a gameplay trailer, so i say its close to being pretty finishted. People have been swearing that X will be out by this year now you say it wont come out this year? Why? to suit your argument? The last trailer didnt look better than the E3 one. If you are expecting that to change I think you are in for a let down. Not saying the game looks bad though.



curl-6 on 16 February 2014
oniyide said:

come on man, i never said you did. Im simply stating that infamous SS and X...there is a CLEAR difference between the two. Now if you want to believe that Wii U one day will be able to put something even close to that on the system, then thats on you. We'll agree to disagree. But the whole point of this thread was to try to prove the Wii U was close to PS4. Just putting those two together shows that is pretty false. 

As for X, lets be real they just showed a gameplay trailer, so i say its close to being pretty finishted. People have been swearing that X will be out by this year now you say it wont come out this year? Why? to suit your argument? The last trailer didnt look better than the E3 one. If you are expecting that to change I think you are in for a let down. Not saying the game looks bad though.


I never said there wasn't a clear difference either, I just don't think it's a HUGE difference.

In the latest Nintendo Direct, games like Bayonetta 2 and Smash Bros were listed as "coming in 2014", but no such label was given for X, suggesting it won't be out this year.



cusman on 16 February 2014
ZyroXZ2 said:

Anyone else kind of feel like the PS4's power gap isn't that big anymore?  I mean, sure it's more powerful, but after seeing these two, I don't find myself thinking "Oh, how much better this would have looked on PS4"... Am I the only one that thinks that people will stop thinking the Wii U is underpowered after these two games see daylight?

The problem Wii U has isn't about it not being able to play those 3rd party AAA games, it is whether or not the Wii U would at least get the up-port from the PS3/X360 version of those games.

Nintendo is purely to blame for this because the Wii U lost momentum. It lose momentum because the Gamepad isn't a compelling differentiator and has really only been used in an essential way for Nintendo Land and maybe that Game & Wario game. Bycomparison, the Kinect on XBO has no essential games yet, but has Kinect Sports sequel on the way.

The Gamepad is a non-essential costly pack-in, just like Kinect is for XBO, and to make things worse, it is Nintendo so it means poorer stack of System and Online features on top of being graphically inferior to the XBO and PS4.



mine on 16 February 2014
fatslob-:O said:
mine said:
fatslob-:O said:
mine said:

So expect the "next-gen" within 4 years. By that time even smartphones will have the same graphics as PS4 or One. 

LOL that ignorance though ...


LOL and ignore Moore's Law as long as you want.

Fact is that PS4 and One have AMD CPUs whose architecture was made for netbooks. Even an Intel Core-i3 will run circels around it. Their GPUs are both not high-end. They "just" get around the PCIe bottle-neck. Nothing fancy new. Just cheap. 

And according to moore's law you'll get every four years the double amount of perforamce for the half amount of money. Or: you'll get FOUR TIMES the performance for the same price. Expect HightEnd Smartphones to have comparable GPU power in four years. Which isn't that far off as the process size of GPUs still way beyond compared to those of CPUs. And it will catch up driven by the demand of Smartphones for power saving GPUs...

Iawata wasn't a fool when he decided to step out of the hw specs race with the Wii and DS. Subsidizing hardware just to get more "realism" didn't make sense anymore. Microsoft did it to get more than a foot into the living room and will continue to do so. The remaing Sony is more of a Game / Media company so it makes sense for them too. 

But it isn't ignorable that both decided not to go the high-end route but use low- to mid-speced hw this time. As both Microsoft and Sony might have more inside knowledge about whats showing up the next years - I expect that their decission makes sense. Otherwise they would have subsidized hardware which would be still outdated with the next gen of GPUs and CPUs...

LOL your still ignorant. 

Moore's Law is an observation not an ACTUAL LAW LOL. Transistors will stop doubling in EVERY 18 months.

And is the WII Us CPU any better ? 15 Gflops doesn't sound a whole lot compared to the 100 Gflops that both the PS4 and X1 could do LOL.

@Bold Bzzzt Wrong LOL. Moore's Law SAYS NOTHING ABOUT PERFORMANCE. IT ONLY SPEAKS OF TRANSISTOR COUNTS OVERTIME. Boy, your lack of semiconductor technology background is really showing, eh ? You assume that smartphones will get comparable performance but you fail to realize they have a TDP budget of lower than 1 Watts and 4 years in time won't be enough to shrink the die sizes to give a notable boost in perf/watt at the acceptable power range.

Both decided not to go the high end route because of costs for a bigger 28nm chip. 

It's official, you know nothing about wafer technology ... Just stop and slowly back off from this thread because your facing off against a PC master race who goes to anandtech at regular intervals.

Thanks for showing me that there is no moore's law enforcement... LOL

And for the transistor count - companies using more transistors to deliver less performance - how many of them are still in business?

And for your TDP budget argument, just think of the 1st gen iPhone (2007) versus the 5S (2013). According to Apple a 56 TIMES increase in graphics performance.

Of course you master of anandtech knowledge - I'll bet you've stated in 2007 that in just six years you'll get that kind of performance boost...