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bigtakilla on 16 February 2014
SubiyaCryolite said:
bigtakilla said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
bigtakilla said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
Darc Requiem said:
What did someone actually compare an action game that features multiple enemies on screen to a 1v1 fighting game?


You can leave out the fighting games if you want. I was trying to comare like for like scenes

 

  • Facial closups
  • The environment when she talks to the kid
  • Her fighting the sage 1 on 1.

 

Let me replace that with a DMC4 if you want. That said care to deny that the geometry, textures and lighting is in the exact same league?

Okay, I will. DmC 720p 30fps. Bayonetta 2 1080p 60fps. Lol, yet again you are judging everything with what you see with your eyes from screen shots. The actual difference is much bigger. 

And the fighting games, yeah let's just not get into that. 

Nice try but DMC4 is 72060fps, came out in 2008 too. You can clearly tell that Bayonetta 2 is 720p from its HQ video, have you seen it? Sorry.


Link to dmc4 frame rate testing? 

Also, Bayonetta 2 has WAY farther draw distance, more enemies, more objects on screen. Lol, DMC 4 is like the skeleton version of Bayo 2, if Bayo 2 were 720p. And I would disagree about the textures being the same, but I digress.

 

"Perhaps more controversial than the rebooted storyline is the fact that Capcom enlists UK developer Ninja Theory for the new game, choosing a 30 frames-per-second update over the smooth 60FPS presentation of past titles. " http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-dmc-face-off

"Previous games in the series, such as Devil May Cry 4, run at 60 FPS on consoles. " http://www.joystiq.com/2012/11/05/why-dmc-runs-30-fps-on-consoles-according-to-capcom/

If you've played DMC4 you know Nero fights anywhere from 3 to 6 enemies at a time. I could only find screens of 2 enemies on Eurogamer, they offer the best quality captures so I stuck with that one. Bayonetta 2 seems to be doing the exactly the same.

Draw distance - yes, though its simulated. You cant run into that distance and explore it. Just like you cant explore Nepal in Uncharted 2 or the city in Final Fantasy XIII-2s boss fight.

More objects on screen- No, what objects?

The textures  are standard 7th gen fare. You cant argue about that in any way. Point out any screenshot or any scene in any footage of this game that proves otherwise. Theres no obvious difference like the difference in Most Wanted U for example.

Bayonetta 2 is 720p man. Have. You. Seen. The. Video? You can pause at literally any point and see them 720p jaggies

Limititng myself to DMC4 because its the only 720p60fps hack n slash game I know of bar Bayonetta 1. Again, a game from so early in the 7th gen can hold up so well to the U. And yet somehow the gap between the U and the X1/PS4 "isnt so big anymore".

Whats to stop me from saying the EXACT SAME thing about the PS3 and 360? The 360 has a tesselation engine afterall, it had a superset of Direct X 9.0c bringinig it close to DX10 (in theory). The PS3 could use its SPUs to pull off fast MLAA which until recently hadn't been used even in the PC space. I could point to The Last of Us and Beyond and scream "diminishing returns", that doesnt change a damn thing.

Why does the WiiU get a free pass despite being in the exact same performance level as the 7th gen HD twins? Because of no screen tearing? Because of nice splashes in Trine 2? Are you for real?

Like I said RAM will just allow for more scale (Bayo 2 uses) and better textures (which Bayo2 does not use). Same can be said for X. Fantastic scale, everything else is standard fare, will probably be 720p30fps. The WiiUs raw GPU horespower is in line with the 7th gen period.

It shows in mutiplats. It shows in first party games. It shows in HD remasters (Wind Waker vs ZOE). You cannot escape that simple fact.



http://www.siliconera.com/2013/09/06/bayonetta-2-is-sexier-faster-and-more-badass-than-its-predecessor/

If we can just use gaming websites as fact with no actual tests then there you go, Bayo 2 is 1080p. Lol.



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Scoobes on 16 February 2014
bigtakilla said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
bigtakilla said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
Darc Requiem said:
What did someone actually compare an action game that features multiple enemies on screen to a 1v1 fighting game?


You can leave out the fighting games if you want. I was trying to comare like for like scenes

 

  • Facial closups
  • The environment when she talks to the kid
  • Her fighting the sage 1 on 1.

 

Let me replace that with a DMC4 if you want. That said care to deny that the geometry, textures and lighting is in the exact same league?

Okay, I will. DmC 720p 30fps. Bayonetta 2 1080p 60fps. Lol, yet again you are judging everything with what you see with your eyes from screen shots. The actual difference is much bigger. 

And the fighting games, yeah let's just not get into that. 

Nice try but DMC4 is 72060fps, came out in 2008 too. You can clearly tell that Bayonetta 2 is 720p from its HQ video, have you seen it? Sorry.


Link to dmc4 frame rate testing? 

Also, Bayonetta 2 has WAY farther draw distance, more enemies, more objects on screen. Lol, DMC 4 is like the skeleton version of Bayo 2, if Bayo 2 were 720p. And I would disagree about the textures being the same, but I digress.

Check the Beyond 3D forums. They've gone over it to death and its pretty much accepted that DMC4 is 60fps on both PS3 and 360. It's also why the DmC reboot angered fans for being 30fps (among other things).

I don't really see anything special about Bayonetta 2 to make me think the WiiU hardware is suddenly closer to PS4/X1. Its a marginal improvement over existing PS3/360 games which is exactly how I expect WiiU games to look and perform.




Get your Portable ID!

bigtakilla on 16 February 2014
SubiyaCryolite said:
hinch said:
bigtakilla said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
Darc Requiem said:
What did someone actually compare an action game that features multiple enemies on screen to a 1v1 fighting game?


You can leave out the fighting games if you want. I was trying to comare like for like scenes

 

  • Facial closups
  • The environment when she talks to the kid
  • Her fighting the sage 1 on 1.

 

Let me replace that with a DMC4 if you want. That said care to deny that the geometry, textures and lighting is in the exact same league?

Okay, I will. DmC 720p 30fps. Bayonetta 2 1080p 60fps. Lol, yet again you are judging everything with what you see with your eyes from screen shots. The actual difference is much bigger. 

And the fighting games, yeah let's just not get into that. 

If that direct feed video is anything to come by. Bayonetta 2 is running at 720p/60fps. Not sure where that 1080p comes from.


They swore that New Super Mario Bros U and Tropical Freeze would be 1080p too. Patiently waiting for Kart and Smash. Smash could get away with it but even Kart has jaggies in every trailer seen to date. Wont have to wait long to find out 

I could have swore all xbone/ps4 games were supposed to run at 1080p 60fps. Guess that's why they say swearing is bad for you.



bigtakilla on 16 February 2014
Scoobes said:
bigtakilla said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
bigtakilla said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
Darc Requiem said:
What did someone actually compare an action game that features multiple enemies on screen to a 1v1 fighting game?


You can leave out the fighting games if you want. I was trying to comare like for like scenes

 

  • Facial closups
  • The environment when she talks to the kid
  • Her fighting the sage 1 on 1.

 

Let me replace that with a DMC4 if you want. That said care to deny that the geometry, textures and lighting is in the exact same league?

Okay, I will. DmC 720p 30fps. Bayonetta 2 1080p 60fps. Lol, yet again you are judging everything with what you see with your eyes from screen shots. The actual difference is much bigger. 

And the fighting games, yeah let's just not get into that. 

Nice try but DMC4 is 72060fps, came out in 2008 too. You can clearly tell that Bayonetta 2 is 720p from its HQ video, have you seen it? Sorry.


Link to dmc4 frame rate testing? 

Also, Bayonetta 2 has WAY farther draw distance, more enemies, more objects on screen. Lol, DMC 4 is like the skeleton version of Bayo 2, if Bayo 2 were 720p. And I would disagree about the textures being the same, but I digress.

Check the Beyond 3D forums. They've gone over it to death and its pretty much accepted that DMC4 is 60fps on both PS3 and 360. It's also why the DmC reboot angered fans for being 30fps (among other things).

I don't really see anything special about Bayonetta 2 to make me think the WiiU hardware is suddenly closer to PS4/X1. Its a marginal improvement over existing PS3/360 games which is exactly how I expect WiiU games to look and perform.


Ah the forums, the fountain of PS fans knowledge.



blackgoku09 on 16 February 2014

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Scoobes on 16 February 2014
bigtakilla said:
Scoobes said:
bigtakilla said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
bigtakilla said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
Darc Requiem said:
What did someone actually compare an action game that features multiple enemies on screen to a 1v1 fighting game?


You can leave out the fighting games if you want. I was trying to comare like for like scenes

 

  • Facial closups
  • The environment when she talks to the kid
  • Her fighting the sage 1 on 1.

 

Let me replace that with a DMC4 if you want. That said care to deny that the geometry, textures and lighting is in the exact same league?

Okay, I will. DmC 720p 30fps. Bayonetta 2 1080p 60fps. Lol, yet again you are judging everything with what you see with your eyes from screen shots. The actual difference is much bigger. 

And the fighting games, yeah let's just not get into that. 

Nice try but DMC4 is 72060fps, came out in 2008 too. You can clearly tell that Bayonetta 2 is 720p from its HQ video, have you seen it? Sorry.


Link to dmc4 frame rate testing? 

Also, Bayonetta 2 has WAY farther draw distance, more enemies, more objects on screen. Lol, DMC 4 is like the skeleton version of Bayo 2, if Bayo 2 were 720p. And I would disagree about the textures being the same, but I digress.

Check the Beyond 3D forums. They've gone over it to death and its pretty much accepted that DMC4 is 60fps on both PS3 and 360. It's also why the DmC reboot angered fans for being 30fps (among other things).

I don't really see anything special about Bayonetta 2 to make me think the WiiU hardware is suddenly closer to PS4/X1. Its a marginal improvement over existing PS3/360 games which is exactly how I expect WiiU games to look and perform.


Ah the forums, the fountain of PS fans knowledge.

Maybe you should check the forum out before you post. Beyond 3D isn't just a normal forum site and they tend to have high level tech discussions with knowledgable users. The majority of VGChartz posters would probably be banned for simply being tech ignorant, but it's a useful starting point if you want to educate yourself on tech.




Get your Portable ID!

bigtakilla on 16 February 2014
Scoobes said:
bigtakilla said:
Scoobes said:
bigtakilla said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
bigtakilla said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
Darc Requiem said:
What did someone actually compare an action game that features multiple enemies on screen to a 1v1 fighting game?


You can leave out the fighting games if you want. I was trying to comare like for like scenes

 

  • Facial closups
  • The environment when she talks to the kid
  • Her fighting the sage 1 on 1.

 

Let me replace that with a DMC4 if you want. That said care to deny that the geometry, textures and lighting is in the exact same league?

Okay, I will. DmC 720p 30fps. Bayonetta 2 1080p 60fps. Lol, yet again you are judging everything with what you see with your eyes from screen shots. The actual difference is much bigger. 

And the fighting games, yeah let's just not get into that. 

Nice try but DMC4 is 72060fps, came out in 2008 too. You can clearly tell that Bayonetta 2 is 720p from its HQ video, have you seen it? Sorry.


Link to dmc4 frame rate testing? 

Also, Bayonetta 2 has WAY farther draw distance, more enemies, more objects on screen. Lol, DMC 4 is like the skeleton version of Bayo 2, if Bayo 2 were 720p. And I would disagree about the textures being the same, but I digress.

Check the Beyond 3D forums. They've gone over it to death and its pretty much accepted that DMC4 is 60fps on both PS3 and 360. It's also why the DmC reboot angered fans for being 30fps (among other things).

I don't really see anything special about Bayonetta 2 to make me think the WiiU hardware is suddenly closer to PS4/X1. Its a marginal improvement over existing PS3/360 games which is exactly how I expect WiiU games to look and perform.


Ah the forums, the fountain of PS fans knowledge.

Maybe you should check the forum out before you post. Beyond 3D isn't just a normal forum site and they tend to have high level tech discussions with knowledgable users. The majority of VGChartz posters would probably be banned for simply being tech ignorant, but it's a useful starting point if you want to educate yourself on tech.


Because everyone who talks tech knows what they're talking about... Even people with knowledge of console architecture tend to ramble on about things they can't confirm to be true. 



fatslob-:O on 16 February 2014
Scoobes said:

Maybe you should check the forum out before you post. Beyond 3D isn't just a normal forum site and they tend to have high level tech discussions with knowledgable users. The majority of VGChartz posters would probably be banned for simply being tech ignorant, but it's a useful starting point if you want to educate yourself on tech.

I guess he didn't realize that it was a good thing considering that makes PS fans the least ignorant on tech ...



SubiyaCryolite on 16 February 2014
bigtakilla said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
bigtakilla said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
bigtakilla said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
Darc Requiem said:
What did someone actually compare an action game that features multiple enemies on screen to a 1v1 fighting game?


You can leave out the fighting games if you want. I was trying to comare like for like scenes

 

  • Facial closups
  • The environment when she talks to the kid
  • Her fighting the sage 1 on 1.

 

Let me replace that with a DMC4 if you want. That said care to deny that the geometry, textures and lighting is in the exact same league?

Okay, I will. DmC 720p 30fps. Bayonetta 2 1080p 60fps. Lol, yet again you are judging everything with what you see with your eyes from screen shots. The actual difference is much bigger. 

And the fighting games, yeah let's just not get into that. 

Nice try but DMC4 is 72060fps, came out in 2008 too. You can clearly tell that Bayonetta 2 is 720p from its HQ video, have you seen it? Sorry.


Link to dmc4 frame rate testing? 

Also, Bayonetta 2 has WAY farther draw distance, more enemies, more objects on screen. Lol, DMC 4 is like the skeleton version of Bayo 2, if Bayo 2 were 720p. And I would disagree about the textures being the same, but I digress.

 

"Perhaps more controversial than the rebooted storyline is the fact that Capcom enlists UK developer Ninja Theory for the new game, choosing a 30 frames-per-second update over the smooth 60FPS presentation of past titles. " http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-dmc-face-off

"Previous games in the series, such as Devil May Cry 4, run at 60 FPS on consoles. " http://www.joystiq.com/2012/11/05/why-dmc-runs-30-fps-on-consoles-according-to-capcom/

If you've played DMC4 you know Nero fights anywhere from 3 to 6 enemies at a time. I could only find screens of 2 enemies on Eurogamer, they offer the best quality captures so I stuck with that one. Bayonetta 2 seems to be doing the exactly the same.

Draw distance - yes, though its simulated. You cant run into that distance and explore it. Just like you cant explore Nepal in Uncharted 2 or the city in Final Fantasy XIII-2s boss fight.

More objects on screen- No, what objects?

The textures  are standard 7th gen fare. You cant argue about that in any way. Point out any screenshot or any scene in any footage of this game that proves otherwise. Theres no obvious difference like the difference in Most Wanted U for example.

Bayonetta 2 is 720p man. Have. You. Seen. The. Video? You can pause at literally any point and see them 720p jaggies

Limititng myself to DMC4 because its the only 720p60fps hack n slash game I know of bar Bayonetta 1. Again, a game from so early in the 7th gen can hold up so well to the U. And yet somehow the gap between the U and the X1/PS4 "isnt so big anymore".

Whats to stop me from saying the EXACT SAME thing about the PS3 and 360? The 360 has a tesselation engine afterall, it had a superset of Direct X 9.0c bringinig it close to DX10 (in theory). The PS3 could use its SPUs to pull off fast MLAA which until recently hadn't been used even in the PC space. I could point to The Last of Us and Beyond and scream "diminishing returns", that doesnt change a damn thing.

Why does the WiiU get a free pass despite being in the exact same performance level as the 7th gen HD twins? Because of no screen tearing? Because of nice splashes in Trine 2? Are you for real?

Like I said RAM will just allow for more scale (Bayo 2 uses) and better textures (which Bayo2 does not use). Same can be said for X. Fantastic scale, everything else is standard fare, will probably be 720p30fps. The WiiUs raw GPU horespower is in line with the 7th gen period.

It shows in mutiplats. It shows in first party games. It shows in HD remasters (Wind Waker vs ZOE). You cannot escape that simple fact.



http://www.siliconera.com/2013/09/06/bayonetta-2-is-sexier-faster-and-more-badass-than-its-predecessor/

If we can just use gaming websites as fact with no actual tests then there you go, Bayo 2 is 1080p. Lol.

 

"1080p clarity clear, in fact." Remember me saying the game looks clean and sharp earlier in this thread? There you go. Sonic lost world looks very clean and sharp compared to Wind Waker HD on a 50" LED, doesnt make it 1080p though. 

I've posted this before but Platinum has never confirmed 1080p for Bayonetta. Everyone quotes this one guy on Siliconera and takes it as the gospel truth. Though if you have watched the video you can see that isnt the case. 

The closets they've gone is " attempting to go for full 1080p on the Wii U, with 60 FPS already a goal". Common sense says if WindWaker HD could only pull off 30fps and Pikmin3, Nintendoland, NSMBU, 3DWorld and DKTF couldnt hit 1080p60 theres NO WAY IN HELL Bayonetta 2 will be native 1080p and 60fps. Again this is evident in the 600MB video and Im tired of saying this.

IGN said the Zelda tech demo was 1080P. Im sure some here would swear by that as well. DigitalFoundry proved it was infact 720p with no antialiasing! ( http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-vs-e3-nintendo?page=2 ). "Bearing in mind that the quality of its visuals are akin to a machine that is now approaching its sixth birthday, how long will it "last" until a true generational leap comes along? " Digital Foundry said this 2011! And yet today "the gap doesnt seem as big"? WTH

They've been right over and over again with the PS4, X1 and the Wii U, even before any of them where released. This is when the reality of the Wii Us capabilities became as clear as day to me. Keep holding the faith if you want to. Keep fighting the good fight.



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

oniyide on 16 February 2014
curl-6 said:
oniyide said:

its bollocks. So all those exclusives for Wii U werent built fromt he ground up for it? Ill give you NSMBWU since it probably used damn near all the assests of the WIi one, and Pikmin3 since that started as a Wii game. But what of the rest? Zombi U, 3d world, DKC

None of those games were built to be graphically intensive; Zombi U is technically weak even compared to other Wii U games, 3D World takes place in small simple  worlds, and Tropical Freeze is essentially just a Wii engine beefed up with HD and some fancy fur and water shaders. None of them push the hardware.


you didnt say graphically intensive, you said built from the ground up. Not the same thing. So now these games dont push the HW? funny how Pikmin 3 was lauded for graphics now all of a sudden its not graphically intensive. Either what you are saying is nonsense and you dont want to admit that the Wii U isnt as powerful as you want it to be or maybe you are right and it isnt graphically intensive. But we have seen at least one game graphically intensive. X and its STILL behind PS4, by a good margin.