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LiquorandGunFun on 12 February 2014

I hope it happens, it would only shove a fat middle finger in these analyst faces about consoles being dead.

Both need to do well period.



 

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DJEVOLVE on 12 February 2014
BeElite said:
Zucas said:
 


How strong it USED to be.  I feel there is a lot of short term memory loss when people talk about the Xbox brand.  There was NO Xbox brand outside of America before the 360.  And even in America that brand was weak at best.  Similarly, there was no Nintendo brand outside of America and Japan.  Europe was always Nintendo's weakest market even when they were facing Sega back in the old days.  In the 6th generation PS2 did 55 million in Europe, Gamecube did 4.4 million, and Xbox did 7.1 million.  In the 7th generation in Europe PS3 did 33 million, Wii did 33.7 million, and 360 did 25 million.  The brand is not a monopoly in Europe anymore.  

I won't argue that the brand of Playstation is strong in Europe.  What I will argue is that it is as strong as it used to and that it is not strong over its competition.  It could become strong this generation, but right now we can't say it is strong.  Not when it suffers such a heavy market loss as that.  

Not stong over its competition.... How about a reality check.

Last weeks WW sales, overa ll numbers home and portable hardware.

PS 275k
Nin 190
X 114k 

Better yet lets only look at console numbers only, it is what we are debating.

PS 213k
Nin 56k
X 115

PS numbers greater then its competition combined.

How bout new gen.

PS4 144k
wiiU 77k
X1 42

Once agian PS numbers greater then its competition combined.

Really want to see the stregth of the PS brand.

PS3 67k
X1 76k
WIIU 42

Not only is the nearly decade old PS3 holding its own vs the Xbox1 but its beating the Wiiu, how about that for current brand strength ?

 

Wanna talk Europe specifically.

Top 5 selling games in Europe are on PS.
11 of the top 15 are on PS.  
PS3 and PS4 COD Fifa GTA BF4 AC4 all currently chart higher then 360 XB1 versions. 

then there is this Europe only hardware.

PS4 61,285
PS3 24,053
XOne 17,844
360 12,749
WiiU 9,895
Wii 6,944

Two of the top selling consoles are PS
PS3 is out selling Wii and WiiU combined
PS3 is out selling Wii WIIu 360 X1
PS4 alone is selling double the entire Xbox brand (360 and X1)
PS3 and PS4 are out selling all Nintendo and Xbox consoles.

And all this with a supply constrained out of stock PS4

 So "not strong over its competition" in your eyes ? dont worry with Japan soon added to the count PS brand and PS4 will tower over the competition even more.  Maybe then ill be strong enough.

Is this not domminating ? 


Price makes all the difference. When PS3 was 600 or even 500, it was not being bought. So that logic goes out the window. Price has a major impact as the Sony seen with the PS3



FlamingWeazel on 12 February 2014
DJEVOLVE said:
BeElite said:
Zucas said:
 


How strong it USED to be.  I feel there is a lot of short term memory loss when people talk about the Xbox brand.  There was NO Xbox brand outside of America before the 360.  And even in America that brand was weak at best.  Similarly, there was no Nintendo brand outside of America and Japan.  Europe was always Nintendo's weakest market even when they were facing Sega back in the old days.  In the 6th generation PS2 did 55 million in Europe, Gamecube did 4.4 million, and Xbox did 7.1 million.  In the 7th generation in Europe PS3 did 33 million, Wii did 33.7 million, and 360 did 25 million.  The brand is not a monopoly in Europe anymore.  

I won't argue that the brand of Playstation is strong in Europe.  What I will argue is that it is as strong as it used to and that it is not strong over its competition.  It could become strong this generation, but right now we can't say it is strong.  Not when it suffers such a heavy market loss as that.  

Not stong over its competition.... How about a reality check.

Last weeks WW sales, overa ll numbers home and portable hardware.

PS 275k
Nin 190
X 114k 

Better yet lets only look at console numbers only, it is what we are debating.

PS 213k
Nin 56k
X 115

PS numbers greater then its competition combined.

How bout new gen.

PS4 144k
wiiU 77k
X1 42

Once agian PS numbers greater then its competition combined.

Really want to see the stregth of the PS brand.

PS3 67k
X1 76k
WIIU 42

Not only is the nearly decade old PS3 holding its own vs the Xbox1 but its beating the Wiiu, how about that for current brand strength ?

 

Wanna talk Europe specifically.

Top 5 selling games in Europe are on PS.
11 of the top 15 are on PS.  
PS3 and PS4 COD Fifa GTA BF4 AC4 all currently chart higher then 360 XB1 versions. 

then there is this Europe only hardware.

PS4 61,285
PS3 24,053
XOne 17,844
360 12,749
WiiU 9,895
Wii 6,944

Two of the top selling consoles are PS
PS3 is out selling Wii and WiiU combined
PS3 is out selling Wii WIIu 360 X1
PS4 alone is selling double the entire Xbox brand (360 and X1)
PS3 and PS4 are out selling all Nintendo and Xbox consoles.

And all this with a supply constrained out of stock PS4

 So "not strong over its competition" in your eyes ? dont worry with Japan soon added to the count PS brand and PS4 will tower over the competition even more.  Maybe then ill be strong enough.

Is this not domminating ? 


Price makes all the difference. When PS3 was 600 or even 500, it was not being bought. So that logic goes out the window. Price has a major impact as the Sony seen with the PS3

?? Facts, please research before posting. The ps3 had a bigger launch and outsold what the 100 dollar cheaper xbox 360 did in it's launch year.



DJEVOLVE on 12 February 2014
FlamingWeazel said:
DJEVOLVE said:


Price makes all the difference. When PS3 was 600 or even 500, it was not being bought. So that logic goes out the window. Price has a major impact as the Sony seen with the PS3

?? Facts, please research before posting. The ps3 had a bigger launch and outsold what the 100 dollar cheaper xbox 360 did in it's launch year.

I'm starting to think you are very new to this. It only was a success when they cut the price in 6 months.



FlamingWeazel on 12 February 2014
DJEVOLVE said:
FlamingWeazel said:
DJEVOLVE said:
 


Price makes all the difference. When PS3 was 600 or even 500, it was not being bought. So that logic goes out the window. Price has a major impact as the Sony seen with the PS3

?? Facts, please research before posting. The ps3 had a bigger launch and outsold what the 100 dollar cheaper xbox 360 did in it's launch year.

I'm starting to think you are very new to this. It only was a success when they cut the price in 6 months.


I am thinking you have amnesia. Look at ps3's launch, then comapre to 360.... HINT, Ps3 sold more.



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DJEVOLVE on 12 February 2014
DJEVOLVE said:
FlamingWeazel said:
DJEVOLVE said:
 


Price makes all the difference. When PS3 was 600 or even 500, it was not being bought. So that logic goes out the window. Price has a major impact as the Sony seen with the PS3

?? Facts, please research before posting. The ps3 had a bigger launch and outsold what the 100 dollar cheaper xbox 360 did in it's launch year.

I'm starting to think you are very new to this. It only was a success when they cut the price in 6 months.

First week sales. 86,742

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39033/Global/

First month sales. 687,424  Xbox launch month was 1,178,267, Almost twice that of sony.

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39061/Global/

First 2 months of sales 1,478,133

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39096/Global/

First 3 months on sale 1,769,656

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39124/Global/

First 4 months on sale 2,032,557

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39152/Global/

First 5 months on sale 3,074,088

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39187/Global/]

First 6 months on sale. 3,387,368

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39215/Global/

First 7 months on sale 3,700,775

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39250/Global/

First 8 months on sale. 3,981,453

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39278/Global/

First 9 months on sale 4,397,779

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39306/Global/

First 10 months on sale 4,871,782

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39341/Global/

First 11 months on sale 5,277,636

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39369/Global/

First 12 months on sale 6,017,487

 

Sorry Sony's first price cut was in July of 2007 only 8 months after launch. This is when they started seeing better sales.

 

So once again You'er wrong.



Bladeforce on 12 February 2014

The sooner you guys realize that consoles will not sell anywhere near the amount you think the better. The gaming landscape is changing too fast. I still predict Sony will be making steamboxes in a year or two and Microsoft well they will just get out of the console arena because gaming will be at a totally different level come a year or two. Consoles are sooo yesteryear



"...the best way to prepare [to be a programmer] is to write programs, and to study great programs that other people have written. In my case, I went to the garbage cans at the Computer Science Center and fished out listings of their operating system." - Bill Gates (Microsoft Corporation)

"Hey, Steve, just because you broke into Xerox's house before I did and took the TV doesn't mean I can't go in later and take the stereo." - Bill Gates (Microsoft Corporation)

Bill Gates had Mac prototypes to work from, and he was known to be obsessed with trying to make Windows as good as SAND (Steve's Amazing New Device), as a Microsoft exec named it. It was the Mac that Microsoft took for its blueprint on how to make a GUI.

 

""Windows [n.] - A thirty-two bit extension and GUI shell to a sixteen bit patch to an eight bit operating system originally coded for a four bit microprocessor and sold by a two-bit company that can't stand one bit of competition.""

FlamingWeazel on 12 February 2014
DJEVOLVE said:
DJEVOLVE said:
FlamingWeazel said:
DJEVOLVE said:
 


Price makes all the difference. When PS3 was 600 or even 500, it was not being bought. So that logic goes out the window. Price has a major impact as the Sony seen with the PS3

?? Facts, please research before posting. The ps3 had a bigger launch and outsold what the 100 dollar cheaper xbox 360 did in it's launch year.

I'm starting to think you are very new to this. It only was a success when they cut the price in 6 months.

First week sales. 86,742

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39033/Global/

First month sales. 687,424  Xbox launch month was 1,178,267, Almost twice that of sony.

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39061/Global/

First 2 months of sales 1,478,133

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39096/Global/

First 3 months on sale 1,769,656

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39124/Global/

First 4 months on sale 2,032,557

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39152/Global/

First 5 months on sale 3,074,088

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39187/Global/]

First 6 months on sale. 3,387,368

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39215/Global/

First 7 months on sale 3,700,775

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39250/Global/

First 8 months on sale. 3,981,453

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39278/Global/

First 9 months on sale 4,397,779

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39306/Global/

First 10 months on sale 4,871,782

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39341/Global/

First 11 months on sale 5,277,636

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39369/Global/

First 12 months on sale 6,017,487

 

Sorry Sony's first price cut was in July of 2007 only 8 months after launch. This is when they started seeing better sales.

 

So once again You'er wrong.


Thats because they never launched in europe like xbox did, add in europe and ps3 sold better in the same time frame:

 

http://digitalbattle.com/2008/02/20/ps3-sells-better-in-first-14-months-than-360/

 

Your using xbox 2006 second year not first LMAO. Xbox launched in 2005.



DJEVOLVE on 12 February 2014
FlamingWeazel said:
DJEVOLVE said:
 

First week sales. 86,742

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39033/Global/

First month sales. 687,424  Xbox launch month was 1,178,267, Almost twice that of sony.

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39061/Global/

First 2 months of sales 1,478,133

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39096/Global/

First 3 months on sale 1,769,656

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39124/Global/

First 4 months on sale 2,032,557

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39152/Global/

First 5 months on sale 3,074,088

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39187/Global/]

First 6 months on sale. 3,387,368

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39215/Global/

First 7 months on sale 3,700,775

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39250/Global/

First 8 months on sale. 3,981,453

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39278/Global/

First 9 months on sale 4,397,779

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39306/Global/

First 10 months on sale 4,871,782

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39341/Global/

First 11 months on sale 5,277,636

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39369/Global/

First 12 months on sale 6,017,487

 

Sorry Sony's first price cut was in July of 2007 only 8 months after launch. This is when they started seeing better sales.

 

So once again You'er wrong.


Thats because they never launched in europe like xbox did, add in europe and ps3 sold better in the same time frame:

 

http://digitalbattle.com/2008/02/20/ps3-sells-better-in-first-14-months-than-360/

 


Wow you are impressive. I said they didn't do good until after the price cut. I was right.. Yet you link me to some site that used this site. I linked you to worldwide sales. It was the price that killed it. I'm done talking to you.

You're void of facts. I just post month after month of sales, yet you link me to a 14 month sales comparison that uses this site. MY god.

These converstions have got pathetic. You always have to be right even if you change the topic of the argument in the first place. You are a complete contradiction. First 12 months both consoles where dead even. However if you look at sony's first 6 months like I said, you would see they sold very poorly.  However You won't, you go off and find some random nonsense that has nothing to do with our original conversation. Have fun with that.

Sony's first year 6,017,487

Xbox 360's first year 5,933,110

Almost identical, without blueray. Remember PS3 was the cheapest blueray player on the market. XBox 360 didn't cut price in it's first year, they didn't cut price for 20 months (http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/08/07/xbox360.price.cut.reut/index.html). Sony did, Not only that, Sony just came off of the PS2 which sold 155 million unites world wide, to XBox 25,000 units. WHO TOOK, WHO's market share?

Like I said above, I'm going to ignore your posts, yesturday a guy called you out on the exact same thing i I'm. You change you original argument to back your view. It's called confirmation bias.



DJEVOLVE on 12 February 2014